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++++Message 1893. . . . . . . . . . . . Join the Tribe

From: Ed Witte . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2004 4:36:00 PM

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One of my favorite stories from the Third Edition was "Join the Tribe".

It was pure poetry. Someone in our local group said the author did not

remain sober & his story was therefore deleted from the 4th edition.

Does anyone know the story of this Canadian Maliseet Indian?

Any help is appreciated.

Thank you

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++++Message 1894. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Join the Tribe

From: Bruce Lallier . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/28/2004 10:35:00 AM

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Hi Ed, he did remain sober, at least through the 70's when I saw him last.

He lived in the Bridgeport Ct. area and remained active volunteering at the

Bridgeport jail where I worked in the late 70's. I moved to western Pa. in

the 80's and have not seen him since. He was very dedicated and well liked

by all. Bruce Lallier Conneaut Lake Pa.----- Original Message -----

From: "Ed Witte"

To:

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:36 PM

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Join the Tribe

> One of my favorite stories from the Third Edition was "Join the Tribe".

> It was pure poetry. Someone in our local group said the author did not

> remain sober & his story was therefore deleted from the 4th edition.

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> Does anyone know the story of this Canadian Maliseet Indian?

> Any help is appreciated.

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> Thank you

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++++Message 1895. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Join the Tribe

From: Jay Lawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/27/2004 10:30:00 PM

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I had the privilege of hearing Maynard speak at the Purdy's group. I believe

that is in

Westchester County. That was back around 1990 or so. It was the Purdy groups

3rd

anniversary. Maynard lived up around Danbury, Connecticut. I have not heard

whereabouts of Maynard for awhile. As for the reason of taking his story

from the 4th

edition I have no idea.

Jay

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Join the Tribe

It was pure poetry. Someone in our local group said the author did not

remain sober & his story was therefore deleted from the 4th edition.

Does anyone know the story of this Canadian Maliseet Indian?

Any help is appreciated.

Thank you

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++++Message 1896. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Join the Tribe

From: kopnor . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/27/2004 11:23:00 PM

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--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Ed Witte wrote:

> One of my favorite stories from the Third Edition was "Join the

Tribe".

> It was pure poetry. Someone in our local group said the author did

> remain sober & his story was therefore deleted from the 4th edition.

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> Does anyone know the story of this Canadian Maliseet Indian?

> Any help is appreciated.

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> Thank you

sober a few years back. I use to see him at the Maine area

Roundup. You can find out more about him by going to the biography

section of the History lover's messages. His biography is there.

Just look for join the tribe 2nd edition.

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++++Message 1897. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "Join The Tribe"

From: Dennis Mardon . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/28/2004 7:26:00 AM

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I believe Maynard, the author of the 3rd edition Big Book story, "Join the

Tribe" stayed sober.

My understanding of the reason why "Join the Tribe" was removed from the 4th

Big Book edition was that a fair number of native North Americans expressed

the opinion to GSO that the language of the story was too stereotypical and

could therefore be offensive to some members and potential members.

I met Maynard in Kent, Connecticut in 1990 and recall the language of the

story reflected how he actually spoke and I was disappointed at what sounded

like 'political correctness' creeping into the AA committee work.

Dennis M.

> Message: 1

> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:36:56 -0500

> From: Ed Witte

> Subject: Join the Tribe

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> One of my favorite stories from the Third Edition was "Join the Tribe".

> remain sober & his story was therefore deleted from the 4th edition.

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> Does anyone know the story of this Canadian Maliseet Indian?

> Any help is appreciated.

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> Thank you

++++Message 1898. . . . . . . . . . . . Any info on blue card read at many

meetings?

From: victoria callaway . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/1/2004 9:01:00 PM

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The blue card, a service piece is read before our meetings, and I

would like if someone could back it up with some history to it?

Thnaks vicki

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++++Message 1899. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Any info on blue card read at

many meetings?

From: Arthur . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2004 10:56:00 AM

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Hi Vicki

closed meetings are part of a series of Conference advisory actions

emphasizing

AA's primary purpose. The 'blue card'' is sometimes called the

'primary purpose'' card.'' It was first recommended by the 1986

Conference, adopted by the 1987 Conference and reaffirmed by the 1988

Conference.

Below, is a timeline history of Conference advisory

actions related to AA's primary purpose:

*1968 *It

was recommended that: AA groups in correctional facilities and hospitals

adhere

alcoholic. That anyone with problems other than alcohol be made welcome at

inside open meetings, but not participate in group activities.

*1969 *It

was recommended that: Guidelines be prepared outlining procedures for AA

members to follow in working with institutions and ways of informing the

nonalcoholic

staff about AA. The following committee recommendations are to be included

in

the guidelines:

AAs attending meetings at

prisons or hospitals should be selected carefully so that relations with the

institution's staff remain harmonious.

b.

AA's position on membership

We

cannot give AA membership to nonalcoholic narcotic addicts and other

groups or organizations. AA groups in institutions can welcome anyone with

problems other than alcohol to inside open meetings, but it is suggested

that

*1970 *It

was recommended that: The wording of the 1969 Institutions Committee

recommendation concerning the definition of AA's position on membership in

institutions

groups be changed to read as follows:

Open meetings are traditionally open to all

interested in AA, but should be devoted exclusively to the alcoholic

problem.

Closed meetings should traditionally be restricted to alcoholics.

*1972 *It

was recommended that: The Conference reaffirm AA group policy that "Only

those with a desire to stop drinking may be members of AA groups; only AA

members are eligible to be officers of AA groups; nonalcoholics are welcome

at

open meetings of AA." And, it is suggested that the word

nonalcoholic mates wish to meet together on a regular basis, they consider

these gatherings "meetings" and not AA groups. (Floor Action)

*1985 *It

was recommended that: The following be inserted in the pamphlets "If You

Are a Professional" and "How AA Members Cooperate":

The only requirement for membership in AA is a

desire to stop drinking. If the person is not sure about this point, then he

or

she is most welcome to attend an open AA meeting. If the person is sure that

elsewhere.

*1986 *It was recommended that: A

service item for use at AA meetings regarding AA's primary purpose be

developed

by the appropriate trustees' committee and proposed to the appropriate

Conference committee at the 1987 Conference.

*1987 *It

was recommended that: The following statement regarding AA's primary purpose

be

available as an AA service piece.

This is a closed meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous.

In support of AA's singleness of purpose, attendance at closed meetings is

limited to persons who have a desire to stop drinking. If you think you have

a

problem with alcohol, you are welcome to attend this meeting. We ask that

discussing our problems, we confine ourselves to those problems, as they

relate

to alcoholism.

purpose be available as an AA service piece.

THIS IS AN OPEN MEETING OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS

This is an open meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous. We

are glad you are all here--especially newcomers. In keeping with our

singleness

of purpose and our Third Tradition which states that "The only requirement

for AA membership is a desire to stop drinking," we ask that all who

participate confine their discussion to their problems with alcohol.

*1988 *It

was recommended that: The Primary Purpose Card continue as a service piece.

*1990 *It

was recommended that: "The AA Membership Survey" pamphlet, the

one-way display and the poster be updated to reflect the findings from the

1989

Membership Survey.

one-way display and poster reflect all the findings of the 1989 Membership

Survey. The answer to Question #14 in the AA survey pertaining to drugs

should

"In addition to their alcoholism X% of members

indicated they were addicted to drugs," and include the disclaimer

"AA's primary purpose is recovery from alcoholism."

*1992 *It was recommended that:

The 1992 AA Membership Survey Questionnaire be changed as follows:

a.

Add item "f' to

b.

Revise item "1"

c.

Change Question #9 to read:

d.

Revise item "a"

e.

Change item "b"

sponsor within 90 days of coming to AA?"

That Question #14, "In addition to your

alcoholism, were you addicted to drugs?" be removed from the 1992 AA

Membership Survey Questionnaire because the question:

a.

emphasizes problems other

b.

has a tendency to lead to

c.

could be construed as

*1997 *It

was recommended that: The following statement regarding Singleness of

Purpose

Community," "AA and Employees Assistance Programs," "AA as

a Resource for the Health Care Professional," "How AA Members

Cooperate With Professionals," "If You Are a Professional," and

"Members of the Clergy Ask About Alcoholics Anonymous" under the

title "Singleness of Purpose and Problems Other Than Alcohol" at the

next printing:

"Alcoholism and drug addiction are often

referred to as 'substance abuse' or 'chemical dependency.' Alcoholics and

nonalcoholics are, therefore, sometimes introduced to AA and encouraged to

attend AA meetings. Anyone may attend _open _AA

meetings. But only those with a _drinking _problem

may attend _closed _meetings or

become AA members. People with problems other than alcoholism are eligible

for

AA membership _only _if they have a

Cheers

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*From:* victoria

*Sent:* Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:01

PM

*To:*

*Subject:* [AAHistoryLovers] Any

info on blue card read at many meetings?

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10.0pt;">The blue card, a service piece is read before our meetings, and I

would like if someone could back it up with some

history to it?

Thnaks vicki

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++++Message 1900. . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Silkwork Birthday Celebration,

W.Long Branch NJ, 7/24/04

From: Lash, William (Bill) . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/3/2004 3:37:00 PM

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You are cordially invited to the first annual Dr. Silkworth birthday

celebration!

Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 3:00PM

At his gravesite in Glenwood Cemetery, Route 71 (Monmouth Rd.), West Long

Branch NJ.

Speakers:

Barbara Silkworth (a family member) and Ruth O'N. (who got sober on April

14, 1948 & knew Silky).

Dr. William Duncan Silkworth is the author of the "Doctor's Opinion" in the

Big Book "Alcoholics Anonymous" and is known as a friend to millions of

alcoholics worldwide. He worked with Bill Wilson, AA's co-founder in N.Y.C.,

after Bill finally got sober in 1934. He gave deep understanding and great

encouragement to an infant society in the days when a lack of understanding

or a word of discouragement might easily have killed it. He freely risked

his professional reputation to champion an unprecedented spiritual answer to

the medical enigma and the human tragedy of alcoholism. Without his

blessing, our faith might well have died in its birth. He was a luminous

exception to the rule that only an alcoholic understands an alcoholic. He

knew us better than we knew ourselves, better than we know each other. Many

of us felt that his medical skill, great as that was, was not at all the

full measure of his stature. Dr. Silkworth was something that it is

difficult even to mention in these days. He was a saintly man. He stood in

an unusual relationship to truth. He was able to see the truth of a man,

when that truth was deeply hidden from the man himself and from everyone

else. He was able to save lives that were otherwise beyond help of any kind.

Such a man cannot really die. We wish to honor this man, a gentle doctor

with white hair and china blue eyes.

Dr. Silkworth lived on Chelsea Avenue in Long Branch, attended Long Branch

High School where he has been inducted in that school's Hall of Fame,

graduated from Princeton University, and lived for a while in Little Silver.

He was born on July 27, 1873 and died on March 22, 1951. His relatives that

still carry the Silkworth name live in Oceanport NJ.

PLEASE BE SURE TO BRING A LAWN CHAIR OR SOMETHING TO SIT ON.

If you have any questions please call Barefoot Bill at 201-232-8749 (cell).

Directions:

Take the Garden State Parkway (north or south) to Exit 105 (Route 36),

continue on Route 36 approximately 2.5 to 3 miles through 5 traffic lights

(passing Monmouth Mall, two more shopping plazas, and several automobile

dealerships). Watch for green road signs stating "Route 71 South, West Long

Branch and Asbury Park" (this is before the sixth light). Take this turnoff

to the right, past Carriage Square and bear right onto Route 71 (Monmouth

Road.) Glenwood Cemetery appears very quickly on the left. The entrance is

marked by two stone pillars and the name. Once inside the cemetery, bear

left, go up the hill and make the first right (a hard right). The gravesite

is near the first tree on the right.

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++++Message 1901. . . . . . . . . . . . Reel to Reel tape restoration

From: kopnor . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/6/2004 12:02:00 AM

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Hi I am Richard K. . I am a member of the Maine area archives

committee. We have a reel to reel tape of the 1955 St.Louis

convention. We would like to know if there is a lot of these tapes

in circulation.

this tape is over 50 years old. We are wondering if we will

run into any difficulties restoring this tape. Maybe someone has

some ideas they might have on this subject.

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++++Message 1902. . . . . . . . . . . . 4th Step Guides

From: lawrence . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/7/2004 10:27:00 PM

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Dear AA friends, I'm collecting 4th step guides. I have a xerox copy

of a lenthy one, about 28 full pages, starting with General

Instructions "Buy paper and pen and start writing." etc. Then there's

the main part called "Revised Fourth Step Guide" starting with 'Why

a "Revised edition"? The original Fourth Step Inventory, written over

10 years ago, needed revision for three reasons. 1. Two major areas

were not ncluded in the original inventory and are in this one:

military service (including Vietnam) and Alanon."' Then there are

lengthy sections on Family, Your Childhood, Religion, Kindergarten

and Early School, Your Sexual Life, Adolescence, etc. etc.

Is this lengthy and very detailed 4th Step Guide available online so

I could download it?

I do have a similar one which I found on a couple sites, starting with

the following:

"A Searching, Fearless, Moral, Inventory 4th Step Guide

The history of this 4th Step Guide is vague but it has been

attributed to anonymous members of Alcoholics Anonymous. Various

versions could be found on early recovery computer bulletin boards

(BBS). One version was dubbed "The California 4th Step Guide" as it

was believed that the originators were located in California. Another

version "suggested" that a person should have at least 5 years of

recovery before using this guide. In any event this guide has well

over 300 questions for a person to answer starting with your

childhood years, through adolescence, and into your adult life. The

guide works for all 12 step programs as the guide is not specific to

any particular program. The guide has a very good set of general

directions for doing a 4th step." Etc.

Perhaps the one I have a xerox of is an earlier version of this one,

one, but I'd love to find a copy of the first one I could download.

Thank you for any help on this, or suggestions of other 4th Step

guides I should know about.

Yours in sobriety, Larry G. in Placitas, NM.

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++++Message 1903. . . . . . . . . . . . Beginner''s Meeting Format

From: Linda . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/8/2004 8:20:00 AM

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I thought I had posted before but I don't see it so, I'll try again.

Does anyone have a good meeting format for Beginner's Meetings?

Thanks,

Linda D "Florida Keys"

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From: john . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/10/2004 5:33:00 PM

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I have a 4x6 card which lists the first three books and has the price

of each

at the top it atates (You may wish to use this as a book mark)

Does anyone know when this card was pbulished by AA

I have a pamphlet This is AA in the burgandy cover. The only

reference to age is a note that states 11th printing. When was this

published?

John Wikelius

301 North Rawls Street

Enterprise, Alabama 36330

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++++Message 1905. . . . . . . . . . . . Loners International

From: kopnor . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/12/2004 3:04:00 AM

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I have heard that the loners international group is the largest

group in AA. Is this true. I would also like to know if Captain

Jack was the official founder of the loners international. I also

would appreciate it if someone could tell me if there is a biography

or story available on Captain Jack.