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(214) 350_1190 ______________________________ From: "Gerard T McMahon" skyfive@bellsouth.net Date: Wed May 31, 2006 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Principles of the Program
tolerance" by an old timer.
______________________________ From: "Norman Gin" ncgin@swbell.net Date: Wed May 31, 2006 5:59 pm Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] Principles of the Program
now, but
aren't the "Principles" set forth in its Introduction? "AA's 12 Steps are a set of principles, spiritual in their nature, which if
practiced as a way of life, can expel the compulsion to drink, and allow the sufferer to life happily and usefully whole" I'm going by memory, so forgive me if I've seriously botched it :>) Norm G Dallas, TX ______________________________
Date: Wed May 31, 2006 6:03 pm Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Principles of the Program
for decades. Some people think it is "official", but to our knowledge it has never been published by AA or founders. The Big Book Bunch did an in-depth study of principles of the steps. See http://www.sober.org/Principl.html Based upon review of the Big Book, the 12and12 and prolonged discussion, their
view of the principle of each step is: 1.. Surrender 2.. Hope 3.. Commitment 4.. Honesty 5.. Truth 6.. Willingness 7.. Humility 8.. Reflection 9.. Amendment 10.. Vigilance 11.. Attunement 12.. Service
makes better sense. However, as a gesture of true humility they suggest each individual try to come up with their own understanding of what the principle of each step is. This would best be done with others. It is even OK to argue (gently, of course). Such discussion will be very helpful to understanding how the steps work.
It might go like 1. Unity, 2. Authority ... Love, Thomas ______________________________ From: "Danny S" danny@dannyschwarzhoff.net Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 3:04 pm Subject: Re: Principles of the Program
knowing that with few exceptions the term "Principles" in the Big Book "Alcoholics Anonymous" is overwhelmingly and fully termed as "spiritual principles". The most obvious exception being Step Twelve which simply states "these principles". "Principle(s)" is mentioned a total of 29 times -- rarely without the
word "spiritual" prefixed. Hope that helps. Peace, Danny Schwarzhoff Happily Recovered and Googleable Alcoholic ______________________________ From: "R. Peter Nixon, MBA" rpeternixon@yahoo.ca Date: Sun Jun 4, 2006 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Principles of the Program
AA pamphlet. As I recall, he stated that the principles of the program were: 1. Admission of alcoholism. 2. Self-examination. 3. Admission of wrongs and amends. 4. Conscious contact with a Higher Power. 5. Help others.
Lodge Meeting? From: olddand562 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2006 3:01:00 PM
Gate Lodge at the Stan Hyet estate in Akron, where, I believe, God Himself first delivered the elements of A/A to Bill Wilson, Dr. Bob Smith, and Henrietta Seiberling, at their meeting together on a Mothers Day Sunday.
participants (such as a letter from Bill Wilson to his wife who was in New York at the time, etc.)?
no response. Thank you for your help, Dan Dougherty IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3463. . . . . . . . . . . . Kathleen Folkerth article on the Gate Lodge From: chris fuccione . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/2/2006 1:56:00 PM
Dr.
Bob met for the first time, with picture of Dr. Bob and Anne Smith's grave, home
and Gate Hall http://www.akron.com/20060601/wsl72.asp By Kathleen Folkerth WEST AKRON -- A conversation that has changed thousands of lives took place in a tiny room of a cottage on a grand Akron estate. It was the historic meeting of two men, Akron surgeon Dr. Bob Smith and New York stockbroker Bill Wilson, both troubled by their addiction to alcohol.
Gardens on May 12, 1935, set the stage for what would eventually be known as Alcoholics Anonymous (AA).
June 8-11, to coincide with activities surrounding AA's annual Founders' Day. The Akron Area Intergroup Council of AA will honor the 71st anniversary of AA with activities June 9-11. The Gate Lodge, which features an exhibit about "Dr. Bob" and "Bill
W.," will have extended hours throughout the weekend. In an adjacent tent on the Stan Hywet property, several performances of a scene from a play about the two AA founders will be performed.
until 1999 by Irene Seiberling Harrison, who died then at the age of 108. After her passing, it was decided that the cottage would be restored and its place in history would be noted. During the past two Founders' Day weekends, more than 7,500 people have walked through the doors of the modest cottage, according to Donna Spiegler, communications manager of Stan Hywet. The Gate Lodge is also open when the estate is open to the public and included in the price of manor tours.
the Gate Lodge to answer questions. "AA members just want to see the place," he said. "They read every
single word." Urban said he also has served as a soundboard for some. "Sometimes an AA member will unload on you," Urban said. "That's
inspiring." The Gate Lodge is the building to the right of the entrance gate at Stan Hywet. It was built as a residence for the estate's superintendent, who lived there until his death in 1923. At that point, Fred Seiberling (the eldest son of Stan Hywet owner F.A. Seiberling) moved into the cottage with his wife, Henrietta, and their three children, John, Dorothy and Mary. The couple separated in 1935, and Fred moved into the Manor House while Henrietta and the children stayed at the Gate Lodge.
Dr. Bob and Bill W. According to information in the Gate Lodge, Henrietta was active in the Oxford Group, a spiritual movement popular at the time, which stressed that "moral strength was the foundation to social justice and personal change would bring about social change."
wife, Anne, and knew about the doctor's struggles with alcohol. Meanwhile, Bill W. was in Akron working unsuccessfully on a business deal. He had been sober for a few months, but the failure of the deal led him to seek help on the night of May 11, 1935. He felt if he could talk to another person struggling with alcohol addiction, he would be able to resist the temptation to visit the bar at the Mayflower Hotel in downtown Akron, where he was staying. From the hotel's church directory, he randomly selected the Rev. William Tunks, who gave Bill W. a list of 10 names of people who might know an alcoholic who would talk with him. None of the numbers led to any success until he dialed Henrietta Seiberling. Henrietta called the Smiths, but Bob was sleeping off his latest binge. Anne Smith asked if they could meet the next day, Mother's Day. Bill W. hung on and came to the Gate Lodge that day for dinner. Dr. Bob reluctantly arrived with Anne and their son, and after dinner, Dr. Bob and Bill W. retired to the small library of the Gate Lodge for what was intended to be a 15-minute conversation. They stayed there for five hours. Today, the library is appointed with a small table and two chairs. Three recordings -- of Henrietta Seiberling, Dr. Bob and Bill W. --
can be played that talk about the events that transpired to help set the stage for AA, which became an international, spiritually oriented community that helps its members stay sober and help other alcoholics do the same. The historic meeting has spawned books, movies and even a play, "Bill W. and Dr. Bob." A 20-minute scene from the play will be performed June 9 at 2 p.m., 3 p.m. and 4 p.m. and June 10 at 1 p.m., 2 p.m., 3 p.m., 4 p.m. and 5 p.m. The play is a biographical dramatization about the meeting written by Janet Surrey and Stephen Bergman and directed by Rick Lombardo. It features Patrick Husted as Dr. Bob and Robert Krakovski as Bill W.
March, where it broke box office records. According to the theater's Web site, the production is slated to be performed off-Broadway this fall. Husted may be a familiar face, as he has appeared on "Law and Order" and "L.A. Law" as well as in many feature films. A brief audience discussion will follow each 20-minute performance of the scene. Extended hours for Founders' Day at the Gate Lodge are 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. June 8 and 9, 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. June 10 and 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. June 11. In honor of Founders' Day, there will be no admission fee for the Gate Lodge June 8-11, although regular prices will apply to other tours at the site.
more information, call (330) 836-5533 or go to www.stanhywet.org. Dr. Bob's House Another West Akron site important to AA members is Dr. Bob's house, located at 855 Ardmore Ave. The house was turned into a museum honoring the AA co-founder in 1985.
placed as they were when Dr. Bob and his wife opened the doors to many seeking help. A pot of coffee is on in the kitchen, and those who come in are invited to sit down at the table in the kitchen, just as many visitors to the home did years ago. According to volunteer Ray, who works at the home once a week, the house is visited by about 6,000 people during Founders' Day weekend. On a regular day, he said about 15 people might come through the doors.
Street. The home will have extended hours during Founders' Day events but is otherwise open every day but Christmas from noon to 3 p.m. There is no admission fee, but donations are welcomed. Dr. Bob's grave
Dr. Bob's grave. The cemetery is located at 183 Aqueduct St., a few blocks north of West Market Street.
people throughout the year who want to pay their respects to the Akron doctor.
motorcycle procession to the grave and a memorial service. Signs from the main entrance to the cemetery direct visitors to the grave. Many AA visitors leave their Sobriety Coins, which are given to AA members to mark the anniversary of the day they stopped drinking, on the gravestone in tribute to Dr. Bob. The cemetery also features a bronze plaque with the Serenity Prayer on it not far from the grave. Adjacent to that is a columbarium, which holds cremains. The columbarium is dedicated to AA and Dr. Bob and allows those wanting to have their final resting place near Dr. Bob to have their wishes granted.
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2006 4:21:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII This one notes the misprint in the Ninth Step and tidies up a bit ========================================================================== Several weeks ago I asked on-line if a list was available of changes that have been made over the years to the 12x12. It was subsequently suggested that it might be a good project for me.
each paragraph were compared. Any other differences between the original and a current printing were noted.
which I happened to have available. The listings should in no way be considered comprehensive. Some generalizations can be made. Throughout the book members are referred to as an AA or AA's. The current printing refers to members as A.A. or A.A.'s. The change was made twenty times. When referring to one of the Twelve Steps without the number, the word step is not capitalized in the original but is in the current. The change was made nine times. Similarly, higher when used to modify power is not capitalized in the original but is in the current.
printing. Paragraph 0 would be the one continuing from the previous page. Compiled and submitted by Tommy H. Cover: Original "How members of Alcoholics Anonymous recover and how the
society functions. Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions Alcoholics Anonymous Publishing, Inc." Current: "A co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous tells how members recover
and how the society functions. Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc." Front inside flap of cover has price $2.75; no price is listed on current flap
Inc." at bottom, Current has "Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc., Box 459, Grand Central Station, New York, NY 10163" Table of Contents: Step Two, line 4: higher not capitalized in original; line 8: two in "Step Two" is not capitalized in original. Step Three, line 4: Higher not capitalized in original; Step Five, last word: Steps is not capitalized in original. Step Eight, line 1: Steps is not capitalized in original Step Nine, line 1: wherever in current; whenever in original. [Note: my 2nd and 3rd printings have whenever; my 7th wherever. What printing was the change made in?]
3: A.A. in current, AA in original. Tradition Seven, line 1: Tradition is not capitalized in original; last line: headquarters in current, Foundation in original. Tradition Eight, line 4: A.A.'s in current, AA's in original Tradition Nine, tradition: A.A., as such in current; A.A. as such in original; line 2: "Conference, the board of trustees, and group" in current, "Conference, the Foundation Board, and group" in original; balance of paragraph has 3 A.A. in current and AA in original. Tradition Eleven, line 3: cooperate in current, co-operate in original; last word: Fellowship not capitalized in original. After Tradition Twelve, "The Twelve Traditions the Long Form 189" in current and not in original. p. 15: No* or footnote in original p. 26, para. 2 is a new para, same words p. 34: Last three words of Step 3 underlined in new printing p. 35, para 0: Last two words in 1st "understand Him"; last two words
current "understood Him" and italicized p. 38, para. 1; higher in last sentence not capitalized in original p. 63, para. 1: "This is the Step that separates the men from the boys." Original: "This is the step that separates the men from the boys. . . ." Step capitalized now and four periods at end of sentence rather than one. p. 84, para. 0: "Alcoholics Anonymous," in current; Alcoholics Anonymous, italicized in original.
original. p. 89, para. 1 and 2: A.A.'s in current, AA's in original. p. 90, para. 1: First sentence has quotes around spot-check in original but not in current. p. 90, para. 4: First sentence - ditto with spot-check. p. 92, para. 0: Next to last sentence, big shot has quotes in original, none in current. p. 92, para.1: current "big-shot-ism"; original "big-shotism" p. 94, para. 0: First sentence A.A.'s in current; AA's in original p. 94, para. 3, line 7: current "taught a lesson,"; original "taught" a lesson,.
original doesn't. p. 96, para. 2, first sentence: current has A.A.'s; original has AA's. p. 96, para. 3, first sentence: current has higher power; original has "higher Power,". p. 101, para. 4, line 2: flier has quotes in original, none in current. p. 103, para. 2: Has A.A. twice where original has AA. p. 104, para. 1, line 4: malady," in current; malady" . . . in original. Ditto emotional pain same para. p. 105, para. 0, line 1: A.A. vs AA. P. 106, para. 2, line 2: Step in current; step in original; A.A. vs AA in following sentence. p. 107, para. 2, line 5: Higher Power in current; higher Power in original. p. 108, para. 0, line 28: Higher Power vs higher Power; same sentence Higher Power vs higher power p. 111, para 1, line 4: Twelve Steps vs twelve steps p. 112, para.3, first line: A.A.'s vs AA's p. 114, para. 1, line 3: A.A's vs AA's. p. 114, para. 2, line 1: A.A.'s vs AA's. p. 116, para. 0, line 3: give-and-take basis has quotes in original. p. 117, para. 2, line 9: A.A.'s vs AA's p. 118, para. 0, last sentence: Twelve Steps capitalized in current; no * or foot-note in original p. 119, para. 2, line 2: A.A.'s vs AA's; ditto lines 8 and 14. p. 120, para. 1, line 8: loaners has quotes in original. p. 124, para. 1, first line: A.A.'s vs AA's. p. 131, para. 0, last line: Society capitalized in current. p. 132, para. 1, line 6: A.A. vs AA p. 132, para. 3, line 1: A.A. vs AA p. 140, para. 0, line 1: No * or footnote p. 143, last line, last word: "Alcoholics Anonymous: in current is Alcoholics Anonymous italicized in original. p.. 148, para1, line 2: no * or footnote in original p. 152, para. 0, line 3: D.T.'s in current, d.t.'s in original p. 152, para. 2-6 are not separate paragraphs in original but extensions of para. 1.
p. 168, para. 1, line 2: no * or foot note in original p. 169, para. 1, line 10: no * or foot note in original p. 173, para. 1, line 3: no 8 or foot note in original p. 182, para. 3, line 1: no * or foot note in original p. 184, para. 3, line 2: "Alcoholics Anonymous." in current is Alcoholics Anonymous, italicized in original
in the '50s. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3466. . . . . . . . . . . . Significant June Dates in A.A. History
From: chesbayman56 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2006 2:48:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII June 1: 1949 - Anne Smith, Dr. Bob's wife, died. June 4: 2002- Caroline Knapp, author of "Drinking: A Love Story" died sober of lung cancer. June 5: 1940 - Ebby Thatcher took a job at the NY Worlds Fair. June 6: 1940 - The first AA Group in Richmond, VA, was formed. 1979 - AA gave the two-millionth copy of the Big Book to Joseph Califano, then Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare. It was presented by Lois Wilson, Bill's wife, in New York. June 7:
1939 - Bill and Lois Wilson had an argument, the first of two times Bill almost slipped. 1941 - The first AA Group in St. Paul, Minnesota, was formed. June 8:
1941 - Three AA's started a group in Kalamazoo, Michigan. June 10:
1935 - The date that is celebrated as Dr. Bob's last drink and the official founding date of AA. There is some evidence that the founders, in trying to reconstruct the history, got the date wrong and it was actually June 17. June 11: 1945 - Twenty-five hundred attend AA's 10th Anniversary in Cleveland, Ohio. 1969 - Dr. Bob's granddaughter, Bonna, daughter of Sue Smith and Ernie Galbraith (The Seven Month Slip in the First Edition) killed herself after first killing her six-year-old child. 1971 - Ernie Galbraith died.
1945 - Morgan R. gave a radio appearance for AA with large audience. He was kept under surveillance to make sure he didn't drink. June 15:
1940 - First AA Group in Baltimore, MD, was formed. June 16:
1938 - Jim Burwell, "The Vicious Cycle" in Big Book, had his last drink.
June 17: 1942 - New York AA groups sponsored the first annual NY area meeting. Four hundred and twenty-four heard Dr. Silkworth and AA speakers. June 18: 1940 - One hundred attended the first meeting in the first AA clubhouse at 334-1/2 West 24th St., New York City. June 19:
1942 - Columnist Earl Wilson reported that NYC Police Chief Valentine sent six policemen to AA and they sobered up. "There are fewer suicides in my files," he commented. June 21:
1944 - The first Issue of the AA Grapevine was published. June 24:
1938 - Two Rockefeller associates told the press about the Big Book "Not to bear any author's name but to be by 'Alcoholics Anonymous.'" June 25:
1939 - The New York Times reviewer wrote that the Big Book is "more soundly based psychologically than any other treatment I have ever come upon." June 26:
1935 - Bill Dotson. (AA #3) entered Akron's City Hospital for his last detox and his first day of sobriety. June 28: 1935 - Dr. Bob and Bill Wilson visited Bill Dotson at Akron's City Hospital. June 30:
1941 - Ruth Hock showed Bill Wilson the Serenity Prayer and it was adopted readily by AA. 2000 - More than 47,000 from 87 countries attended the opening meeting of the 65th AA Anniversary in Minneapolis, MN. Other significant events in June for which we have no specific date: 1948 - A subscription to the AA Grapevine was donated to the Beloit, Wisconsin, Public Library by a local AA member. 1981 - AA in Switzerland held its 25th Anniversary Convention with Lois Wilson and Nell Wing in attendance.
the 12 ‘ 12 From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/31/2006 10:50:00 PM
>were added to the 12 and 12, and any reason why they were >omitted from early editions, like my June 1973 twelfth >printing? __________________________________
__________________________________ From: "Jim S." Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 8:12 am My copy of the 12 and 12, printed in 1967, does not include the "long form."
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3468. . . . . . . . . . . . Smitty''s Children - Dr Bob Family Tree
From: dogmeat_44024 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/3/2006 6:42:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Group. I've been working on a family tree of Dr Bob. I thought this would be helpful to refer to, and know who's who when reading about and discussing AA history.
named SCOTT. However, I have a recording of a talk that Smitty gave in Waterbury, CT in March of 1999 in which he clearly descibes the suicide of his oldest son, TODD. Does anybody know which is correct? Thanks. Whanny
++++Message 3469. . . . . . . . . . . . Sister Ignatia and William Tolliver From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/6/2006 4:32:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Sister Ignatia's Message Inspires Akron Woman Treasures Book that Belonged to Late Father; A.A. Figure Signed it in 1947 By Jim Carney Beacon Journal staff writer [Akron Beacon Journal, posted on their website on Monday, June 5, 2006, complete text and photo at http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/living/religion/14743217.htm ]
handwritten inscription. It's dated March 9, 1947. The book is The Following of Christ in Four Books by Thomas A. Kempis. ``To Mr. Tolliver. May God bless you and yours always. May He keep you ever close to His Sacred Heart.'' On the opposite page are these words: ``Please say a little prayer for me.'' The book was signed by Sister Ignatia and given to Butler's father, William Tolliver, an early African-American member of Alcoholics Anonymous. Sister Ignatia was a key figure in the history of A.A., founded in Akron in 1935 by Akron physician Robert Smith and New York stockbroker Bill Wilson. Sister Ignatia worked with Smith in 1939 to set up the world's first alcoholic ward at Akron's St. Thomas Hospital.
alcohol
treatment ward at the hospital, said Butler, 78, of Akron, and her sister, Lucimarian Roberts, 82, of Biloxi, Miss. This weekend, 10,000 to 14,000 A.A. members will converge on Akron for Founders Day to commemorate the organization's beginnings. A.A. has more than 2 million members who gather periodically at more than 105,000 meetings. Tolliver was born in West Virginia in 1897. He was an alcoholic when he moved
to Akron around 1920, Butler said, and drank every day when she was growing up.
and to keep warm, they would drink rum.'' In Akron, he ran the T and S Pure Oil Service Station on South Arlington Street.
St. Thomas. With the help of Sister Ignatia, Tolliver's friend was admitted to the alcohol ward. Sister Ignatia was born Bridget Della Mary Gavin in Ireland in 1889 and moved
to Cleveland with her family in 1896, according to Sister Ignatia: Angel of Alcoholics Anonymous by Fairlawn resident Mary C. Darrah. A Sisters of Charity of St. Augustine nun, Sister Ignatia arrived at St. Thomas Hospital in 1928. She left St. Thomas in 1952 for Cleveland, where she founded Rosary Hall, an alcohol treatment facility at St. Vincent Charity Hospital. She died in 1966. A new Sister Ignatia Heritage Center will open inside the Chapel at St. Thomas
Hospital over Founders Day weekend. Earlier this year, a section of East 22nd Street in Cleveland was given a secondary name of Sister Ignatia Way on the 40th anniversary of her death. Tolliver died in Akron in 1978 at the age of 80. Both Dani McCann, a public relations planner for Summa Health System, and Gail
L., Akron A.A. archivist, said they really can't assess what role Tolliver had
in integrating Ignatia Hall because so much of A.A.'s history is verbal. Lonnie B., a 79-year-old Akronite with nearly 50 years of sobriety, who was helped in A.A. by Tolliver, said it made sense to him that Tolliver would have been involved in such an effort with Sister Ignatia. Roberts, a retired social worker, teacher and counselor, said that when her father stopped drinking and got involved in A.A., ``his whole outlook on life was so different.... It was a remarkable thing.'' Butler, a retired nursing clerical supervisor and licensed practical nurse from Akron Children's Hospital, said her father spent countless hours talking to those in treatment at St. Thomas. Tolliver always kept the little book given to him by Sister Ignatia near him,
in his briefcase. Now that book and the woman who gave it to him continue to inspire Butler. ``There is no doubt that Sister Ignatia gave the most support to A.A. here in Akron,'' she said. ``She was a most beautiful person. When she smiled, the whole place just lit up.'' ___________________________________
1380-1471), the "Imitatio Christi," is better known today under the title "The Imitation of Christ." It first appeared in 1418, and has become one of the most often printed books on spirituality ever written. It is used and admired by both Catholics and Protestants. The other little book which Sister Ignatia sometimes gave to people who passed
through her treatment program was a book of excerpts from the "Spiritual Exercises" of St. Ignatius Loyola (1491 or 1495-1556), the founder of the
Jesuits. The full text of the "Spiritual Exercises" is easily available, but if anyone in the group has a copy of that particular book of excerpts from St. Ignatius which Sister Ignatia passed out (which has long been out of print), I would be deeply grateful for a photocopy of it. It would be important to know what portions of the "Spiritual Exercises" were excerpted, in order to get a better idea of the sources of early AA spirituality. In our emphasis on the Oxford Group, the Upper Room, New Thought books like Emmet Fox's "Sermon on the Mount" and James Allen's "As a Man Thinketh," along with (in the case of early Boston and Florida AA) the Emmanuel Movement and Jacoby Club literature, we tend to forget the Catholics in early AA, and their
important contributions to early AA spirituality. From almost the very beginning, AA had both Protestant and Catholic members, along with an occasional Jewish member (like the famous Irving Meyerson in Cleveland, who helped start so many AA groups in other places, like Indianapolis). And they treasured the fact that a Buddhist AA group was formed at a very early period. The Catholic contributions are the ones which most need researching at this point, and some of the most important linkages here passed through Sister Ignatia and her spirituality. Glenn Chesnut South Bend, Indiana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3470. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Long form of the Traditions and the 12 ‘ 12 From: Corky Forbes . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/6/2006 8:12:00 PM
Corky Forbes corky4@cox.net
From: Tom Hickcox To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Long form of the Traditions and the 12 and 12
At 12:11 5/28/2006 , sobie396@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone know when the long form of the Traditions >were added to the 12 and 12, and any reason why they were >omitted from early editions, like my June 1973 twelfth >printing? __________________________________
__________________________________ From: "Jim S." Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 8:12 am My copy of the 12 and 12, printed in 1967, does not include the "long form."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3471. . . . . . . . . . . . Dave B., "Gratitude in Action" From: Henry . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/7/2006 7:50:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I would be grateful if anyone can give me any information on Dave B , the writter of "Gratitude in Action" in the fourth edition of the Big Book.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3472. . . . . . . . . . . . My name is X From: jamesoddname . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/7/2006 8:09:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I'm new to this group -- my name is Jim and I'm a grateful recovering alcoholic. As a historian by training, I've naturally gotten interested in AA history since coming into the program last year. A question that intrigues me, that perhaps someone here could answer: When, where, and by whom did the practice begin of introducing ourselves at meetings with the formula "My name is X and I'm an alcoholic"? Probably the answer is somewhere in the groups archives but I don't know how to ferret it out. Thank you for your patience. Jim C. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3473. . . . . . . . . . . . 138 Lexington Street in Brooklyn? From: ricktompkins@comcast.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/7/2006 5:49:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi group, A good friend of mine recently visited NYC and took a 'cook's tour' of historically important AA sites. In Brooklyn and 192 Clinton Street (the Burnham
home where Bill and Lois lived before and after Bill got sober), there is an address at 138 Lexington Street---around a few corners but relatively in the same neighborhood. My friend doesn't recall the details of the Lexington Street address. Can anyone shed some light through this window on our past?
From: trixiebellaa . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/10/2006 5:13:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Can anyone give us any information on Richard R. Peabody and the part he played in alcoholism and AA. Thanks for your help. _________________________________________ From the moderator: One of the most thorough studies of Richard R. Peabody is in Richard M. Dubiel's
book, "The Road to Fellowship: The Role of the Emmanuel Movement and the Jacoby Club in the Development of Alcoholics Anonymous" (2004), in Chapter 3, "The
Continuation of Therapy: Courtenay Baylor and Richard R. Peabody." http://hindsfoot.org/kdub1.html http://hindsfoot.org/kdub2.html But I'm sure some of the members of the group will be able to give you a shorter
account of Peabody and his book, "The Common Sense of Drinking." We know that Bill W. and Lois had both read that book.
during that period, portraying in fictional form what it was like for an alcoholic to go to Peabody to get help in stopping drinking. The phrase in the Big Book "half measures availed us nothing" seems to have been drawn from Peabody's phrase "halfway measures are of no avail."
From: Paul . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/10/2006 5:43:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Someone asked me if there is a DVD or VHS of Bill W telling his story out of the BB. I don't know that's why I am asking AAHistoryLovers for your help with this.
start to be used? From: trixiebellaa . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/10/2006 5:11:00 AM
Can anyone help us with the term alcoholism? When did this did word first begin to be used instead of dypsomania and who coined the term? Thanks for you help in this matter.
Brooklyn? From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/12/2006 8:24:00 PM
(jwltx2004 at yahoo.com) 38 Livingston Street, Brooklyn, was Bill's home during his high flying years on Wall Street. Combined two apartments. Rick Tompkins had asked, what was the significance in AA history of the 138 Lexington Street address in Brooklyn, which is in relatively the same neighborhood as 192 Clinton Street (the Burnham home where Bill and Lois lived
right before and immediately after Bill got sober)? jwltx2004 wrote in and gave us this information and a place to go and find out
about other sites: There is a list of AA historical sites in New York City at http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/historic%20sites.htm jwltx2004 said, "I went to these places a couple of years ago and it was well
worth the time." Historical Sites in New York from World Services Town's Hospital: 293 Central Park West. Bill made 4 trips to Town's Hospital and ultimately a Spiritual Experience. Dr Silkworth, Medical Superintendent, treated 40,000 alkies and wrote The Doctor's Opinion.
Oxford Group meetings and got sober along with Ebby, Rowland, Cebra, Hank, and all the gang. Sam Shoemaker, source of 'all AA's spiritual principles via the Oxford Group,' was the pastor of Calvary.
Parkhurst and Bill Wilson set up the first "Headquarters" office. Most of the Big Book is written here and Ruth Hock (secretary) is the first non-alcoholic employee.
(1938-1940.) 415 Lexington; Office moves to Grand Central Area after Bill gets Bedford Hills home. Easy commute. (1940-1944) 141 East 44th Street. More space. (1950-1960.) 315 East 45th Street, larger quarters in Grand Central Area (1960- 1970.)
finally occupying 5 floors in 2 buildings. (including 470 Park Avenue South). (470) (1970-1992.) 475 Riverside Drive, 11th Floor/half of 10th (1992-present.) 38 Livingston Street, Brooklyn: Bill's home during high flying years on Wall Street. Combined two apartments. 182 Clinton Street; Brooklyn. Bill's home when he got sober. Gift of Lois's father. Lost during depression. (sober) 30 Rockefeller Plaza; where Bill met 'Uncle Dick' Richardson, conduit to John D Rockefeller. Bill sat in Rockefeller's chair on the 66th Floor Office of John D.
Service Conferences. Park Omni, Seventh Avenue and 56th Street. Site of General Service Conferences. New York Hilton, 1335 Avenue of the Americas, site of "Bill W Dinner" put on by NY Intergroup since 1945. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3478. . . . . . . . . . . . How many people did Bill W sponsor? From: Carl P. . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/11/2006 11:41:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi history lovers, I am standing in for trixiebellaa for a week and our study group have asked, how many people did bill w sponsor?
stayed sober? From: Carl P. . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/11/2006 11:39:00 AM
for a week and our study group have asked, do you have any information on how many out of the five thousand people whom Dr. Bob sponsored stayed sober? IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3480. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "My Name is Bill W" available on DVD - UPDATE From: sargeantgascan . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/11/2006 7:00:00 PM
Bill W," and they really cleaned up the picture immensely. This movie has never looked this good. I don't think the original TV reel was this good, of course, it's been so long since I saw it on TV. But the DVD is very crisp and clean. In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "sargeantgascan" You might be pleased to know that "My Name is Bill W" is going to be released on DVD in June. I agree it is a great movie and I was really disappointed when I couldn't find it on DVD after finding my old VHS tapes picture quality so scratched up.
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/12/2006 9:13:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have a chapter on Richard Peabody and the Emmanuel Movement in my book "New Wine," published in 1991 by Hazelden. I had the feeling that Peabody's work had an important role in the forming of AA, though Peabody himself operated independently and passed on while the AA founders were still in the Oxford Group. It's interesting that Peabody's home and offices were less than a block from Sam Shoemaker's Calvary Episcopal Church, and a few of the early AA's may have sought his help. But there was no spiritual component in Peabody's method, and I don't think he really understood the extreme importance of getting rid of resentments at all costs. His first wife (who dumped him) was a beautiful woman named Polly who later took the name "Caresse" and married two more alcoholics after leaving Peabody (which supports the belief that certain women are attracted to drunks). The Jim Bishop book, "The Glass Crutch," gave us a good view of Peabody
and the recovery achieved by his client, William Wister, in the same year that Bill Wilson got sober. But Wister got drunk after nine years and never really made it back, though he did work as a lay therapist for a while.
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