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________________________________ From the moderator: Tommy's note keys into Message 3576 (posted 6 days ago) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/3576 about Chicago AA old timers Earl Treat (BB story "He Sold Himself Short") and Sylvia Kauffmann (BB story "The Keys to the Kingdom") and Nancy Olson's biographies of them at: http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/Authors.htm http://silkworth.net/aabiography/storyauthors.html Again, could some of you AA archivists and historians from the Chicago area fill us in? To the best of my knowledge Earl died sober, and I know that his memory is held in high honor as "the grand old man" and one of the main founders of Chicago AA.
correct sobriety date for her? Did she have any subsequent slips? Did she die sober? If she got sober in the Fall of 1939, and stayed sober for a significant period of time, then as Tommy says, the title of first woman to obtain extended sobriety in AA should belong to Sylvia.
question is who was "the first woman to achieve enduring sobriety" in AA, NOT who was the first woman to get sober for a little bit of time, where some of the messages below talk about the various contenders for that title.
messages, but I did a search and cannot see quite how to fit Sylvia in. The past messages I turned up include 3110, 3112, 3132, 3141, 3142, 3143, 3148, 3153, 3157 (especially useful in terms of "who first got one full year in"), and 3169. A more thorough search would probably turn up some more messages that I missed, but I think it is correct that we never did an adequate discussion of Sylvia's life and role in early AA.
of AA in the U.S. and Canada. It is one of the largest American metropolitan centers -- look at a satellite picture taken at night, and look at that enormous blob of light extending all around the southern coast of Lake Michigan, made up of Chicago and all its suburbs and attached cities -- and it is still a major regional AA center to this day. Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3589. . . . . . . . . . . . fifty years of AA From: M.Eaton . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/21/2006 8:36:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The 1993 celebration marked 50 years of AA inToronto and the others marked the
anniversaries of AA as a whole....Murray E. Brampton, On. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3590. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: CROSS-TALK From: Jim K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/19/2006 8:29:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII There are two prevailing definitions of "Cross Talk" that I am aware
of: 1. Speaking out of turn in a meeting often in response to someone sharing or in the midst of their share. 2. Commenting when sharing on what someone else said. The first time I recall encountering the term "cross talk" was in Manhattan in 1997. I was puzzled by the idea when it took on definition number 2 and still wonder what the purpose is other than providing a consequence free atmosphere in which to share (which, by the way, is better reserved for a sponsor's ear). A theurapeutic construct it has dubious value in a spititual program. Jim Kelly --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "lynnaw1979" wrote:
> > Looking for information on cross-talk within the AA meeting context. > How did we come up with it? When? How? Thanks >
++++Message 3591. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 90 meetings in 90 days From: Toto24522@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/19/2006 6:04:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In a message dated 7/18/06 10:09:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, serenityodaat@yahoo.se writes: << The saying "90 meetings in 90 days" is pretty common in AA in Sweden. I recall that i once heard on a speaker tape that this saying was "invented" Cleveland AA in the 50's where they had some sort of "contract" with the Salvation army, that if they took drunks to 90 meetings the Salvation army would let the person stay at the shelter for 90 days. Does anyone have any info around this? Love Anders
http://communities.msn.com/A12StepRecoveryDiner/thoughtsonavisittoakron.msnw As told by Chief Blackhawk (Detroit, 40 years in October, 1998), sitting on the front porch of Dr. Bob's house at 855 Ardmore in Akron, Ohio to Floyd H. of Spring, Texas.
any sects, denominations, politics, organizations, or institutions. You want to know what they are?
organization taught us about the danger of trying that. Get in with another organization, they bring their values and opinions and they seldom are what we know works in helping drunks. When the Clarence Snyder (Home Brewmeister) group formed in Cleveland, an article ran in the Cleveland newspaper, The Plain Dealer.
were low-bottoms who needed 3-5 days of hospitalization. After being turned down by all the local hospitals and after helping the son of a person associated with the Salvation Army, that organization told Clarence they'd make some beds available for alcoholics. In accepting their aid, two things happened. First, AA became allied with an outside organization; next, they fell under that organization's philosophy about recovering from alcoholism and compromised what the alcoholics knew really worked. In order to get the beds, the AA's violated their own procedures. I asked: So what was that organization's philosophy that went against what AA's had been doing? They answered: The Cleveland Salvation Army had a policy of limiting bed space for anyone to a total of three months. Their motive was noble: We'll help you down-and-out's to get by until you get a job and a place of your own, but to motivate you, weire putting a time limit on our assistance -- you have three months, max. Now, for the alkies coming in, they told them the same thing but added, You also have to visit with a recovered alcoholic daily; that is, you have to meet with them 90 times in 90 days, and we're gonna check to make sure you do. Miss a meeting and you have no bed. You're back on the streets. So instead of taking the drunks through in 3 or 4 hours the way we always did it, or a matter of days at the most, we're now into this 90-in-90 plan.
thing we hear so often today -- ˜Go to 90 meetings in 90 days?
desperate to get beds they thought they had to have, compromised their approach to working the steps quickly. But to their great credit, the Cleveland AA's keep meticulous records with Clarence's insistence) and their stats revealed that no one gained any long-term sobriety using that plan. So Cleveland separated itself from the Salvation Army with a valuable lesson: stick to the methods proven successful -- alkies taking alkies through the steps and doing it pronto. After Cleveland got back to doing that instead of the 90-in-90-Salvation-Army plan, the AA's got a 93% success rate over the next several decades.
++++Message 3592. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 90 meetings in 90 days From: Pig Daddy . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/21/2006 10:18:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I think the 90 and 90 concept was started by treatment facilities. It does work though. It gives the individual an oppertunity to become acustom to the group and the group to the individual
> > Hiya group! > > The saying "90 meetings in 90 days" is pretty common > in AA in Sweden. I recall that i once heard on a > speaker tape that this saying was "invented" > Cleaveland AA in the 50’s where they had some sort of > "contract" with the Salvation army, that if they took > drunks to 90 meetings the Salvation army would let the > person stay at the shelter for 90 days. > > Does anyone have any info around this? > > Love
> Anders >
++++Message 3593. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Rewards and Ann Croft From: John Lee . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/22/2006 1:01:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The Rewards are a personal reworking of the 9th step promises. Ann Croft of Akron composed the 12 Rewards. She was the first woman in Akron AA to stay sober. Ann is referenced twice in Doctor Bob and the Good Oldtimers. Ann wrote the Rewards to indicate how some of the Promises had come true in her life. Ann never intended that the Rewards would come true generally for members of the Fellowship. We may not get back the love and understanding of our families, for instance. love+service john lee
member pittsburgh robin_foote I recently heard the following on a track recorded by Searcy W. I have heard various forms of this over the years and find it follows on from the 'promises'.
fears.
obsession.
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