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would have been enormous. I very much doubt that there was anything to the claim, and Irving Fisher certainly presented enough evidence to refute it. Lambert, however, spoke before a congressional committee on the matter. At issue was the limit to the amount of alcohol
that could be prescribed, at that time about a fifth per patient per ten days.
Lambert thought it should be increased. Samuel Lambert's brother was Alexander Lambert (I wonder if they ever got together over holidays?), medical director of Town's hospital. Dr. Alexander Lambert was a prominent advocate of Prohibition. During the time Irving Fisher wrote about their dispute, Fisher's nephew Rowland Hazard III was a patient of Dr. Samuel Lambert, among other doctors
(Rhode Island Historical Society papers). In that family, the issue was indeed
discussed but apparently no one's mind was changed by the discussion. So, I'm wondering if there is necessarily any incompatibility between the story
that Peabody died of pneumonia and the story that he was drinking at the time? Perhaps legitimate medical authority encouraged him to make an exception to his normal rule
against alcohol consumption, because of pneumonia, another illness, or even old
age? Rightly or wrongly. > > Later in the paper: > > "Although Peabody's method was widely practiced for about two decades, > little is known of its overall therapeutic success, and an accurate > guess is impossible at this date. Marty Mann concluded that Peabody > and his therapists "accomplished a heroic work during the 1930's, when > little else was being done for alcoholics" If Marty Mann really believed that no one else was doing anything for alcoholics in the 1930's, it could be because what they were doing failed to help her. This should probably
not be taken too literally. Cora IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3664. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Identifying Big Book first printing
From: Jon Markle . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/3/2006 7:16:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Some meetings in the Cleveland/Akron area still use "experience" rather than "awakening". And some groups use "a result" instead of "the result" . . . Jon Markle 9/9/82
Raleigh On Aug 28, 2006, at 8:30 PM, DudleyDobinson@aol.com wrote: > Hi Bob > > Thanks for your insight on the differences between > the first and later printings of the Big Book. > I have probably One of the few copies of "Big Red" > in Ireland and will almost certainly donate it some > time in the near future. When and to whom is my > current dilemma. > > Perhaps the most important change made to the First > printing which you did not mention was the change > in the Twelfth step from "experience" to "awakening" > and the addition of an appendix on the subject added > in the Second printing. > > I believe it was pointed out to Bill W. that he > had his spiritual experience before the steps were > written. Also some members thought they could not > recover if they did not that type of experience. > > In fellowship - Dudley D. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3665. . . . . . . . . . . . First World Conference transcripts From: abigapple2002 . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/29/2006 1:16:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I know that when the Traditions were accepted by the fellowship, Bill had one speaker talk about two traditions in each talk. I was wondering if anyone might know how to find transcripts or tapes of those talks. Thank you very much. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3666. . . . . . . . . . . . "The AA Way Of Life/As Bill Sees It" From: pnwnatives . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/30/2006 11:00:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I am trying to find out when the first printing of "As Bill Sees It" was first printed. I would also be interested in any information that is available regarding the change in names. Was the first printing of "As Bill Sees It" a first printing or was it carried on from "The AA Way Of LIfe"? Any information would be appreciated. Bob W _______________________ From the moderator: Bob, If you do a search through the past Messages, there are three messages that seem to be relevant to answering part of your question.
As Bill Sees It) was published. Message 589 Janet G. - she and Bill, edited A.A. Way Life, became As Bill Sees It (G 27) (P 360) Message 164 Grapevine: Weren't there a number of projects Bill wanted to get to in the years following Dr. Bob's death?
a writing and research team to help him with, among other things, a major history of AA. Bill's depression was still with him and he knew that if he could give a lot of time to doing something specific and keep at it, that would help the depression. He wanted to do a good, thorough history and also put together a new edition of the Big Book. The scope of the history project proved to be too much, though, and had to be scaled back. Nevertheless, the result was AA Comes of Age. The new edition of the Big Book finally did get completed, and Bill was also eager to do a summing up of what he had learned, the wisdom that had come up through the Fellowship. He had a very precise idea of the kind of book he wanted to write, but he wasn't able to do it. In the end, what took its place was As Bill Sees It - not a bad substitute! _______________________
however of why the title was changed from "The AA Way of Life" to "As Bill Sees It."
out here? Glenn C., Moderator AAHistoryLovers IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3667. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: History of closed and open discussion meetings From: David G. . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/29/2006 1:44:00 AM
role in early A.A.; and also a quote from page 242, Chapter XIX; Minorities within A.A. gain acceptance; from the book, "Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers: ...pg 237--In Akron in the very early days, alcoholics had almost no say. Their wives got them to the meetings, which were, in turn, run by Oxford Groupers. The men chafed a bit, but allowed it to go on. When the A.A.'s did break away from the O.G., their wives very likely had a lot to do with the move, as I we have seen.
began coming into the program, there was friction with the wives. (inserted by Dave-see quote from page 242, below) This resulted in "closed meetings" for alcoholics only, as well as "open meetings" at which the nonalcoholic wives were not allowed to speak, Later, the situation was to balance out, with the establishment of such compromises as "open discussion meetings," in which wives and other nonmembers, were invited to participate. pg 238 "When they had this AI-Anon and Alateen, I thought it was a wonderful idea," said Elgie. Al-Anon Family Groups took its present form in 1951, though "family groups" composed of A.A. members' relatives had been developing over the preceding years! It soon became a source of help for wives and others close to drinking alcoholics, as well as to those sober in A.A. The special needs of alcoholics' teenage children were answered in 1957 by the formation of Alateen, a part of AI-Anon.! Both use the A.A. program with only slight adaptation, but are entirely separate from A.A. I think now what a relief it would have been if I could have gone in a program that would have kept me occupied," Elgie said. "That's why I got involved. I wanted to help. It wasn't that common. There were two or three of us who did it.
your husband has been drinking, you are at the point where you are as crazy as he is," said Elgie, "and it is going to take you a long time to look at things normally.
wife, isn't with him, And the families won't get back together unless everybody works at it.. That was the way he put it. Nothing fancy. Just practical psychology."
that bothered him {inserted by Dave, (Dr. Bob)} was that most of the women came in with the label ‘nymphomaniac. Most of the wives would back away, and the men got leery because they were afraid they would get into some situation. So, in the beginning, the woman was looked on as trouble. Nobody wanted to handle it." I hope you find this helpful. Yours in service, Dave G. ___________________________________ Jerry wrote: CLOSED MEETINGS From "jerry" (jerrytwotord at hotmail.com)
I've done on our founders seems to point to the fact that our first meetings be they AA or Oxford Group meetings were family affairs. If this is so, just where did the "closed" meeting come in and for what purpose?
appreciated. Jerry ______________________________ OPEN DISCUSSION MEETINGS From "abigapple2002" (abigapple2002 at yahoo.com)
not we should have some meetings which are "open discussion meetings."
how they came about. I thought you all would be a little more reliable in this case as to when the first open discussion meeting came about, where and possibly even why.
beginning to have a "thirst" for AA history. Thanks to all of you for being here and being willing to share what you've found. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3668. . . . . . . . . . . . If you want to keep it... From: CBBB164@AOL.COM . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/3/2006 5:31:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Bill wrote it first. "You have to give it away..." The phrase "you have to give it away to keep it" is a short version of the message in the story about the prospector on pages 128-129 in the Big Book: the gold mine he has found "will pay dividends only if he ... insists on giving away the entire product."
belt drawn in over the last ounce of food, our pick struck gold. Joy at our release from a lifetime of frustration knew no bounds. Father feels he has struck something better than gold. For a time he may try to hug the new treasure to himself. He may not see at once that he has barely scratched a limitless lode which will pay dividends only if he mines it for the rest of his life and insists on giving away the entire product." In God's love and service, Cliff Bishop Home - (214) 350-1190 Cell - (214) 532-5371 FAX - (214) 350-1190 CBBB164@aol.com www.ppgaadallas.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3669. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "The AA Way Of Life/As Bill Sees It"
From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/3/2006 9:44:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII At 10:00 8/30/2006 , pnwnatives wrote: >I am trying to find out when the first printing of >"As Bill Sees It" was first printed. > >I would also be interested in any information that >is available regarding the change in names. Was the >first printing of "As Bill Sees It" a first printing >or was it carried on from "The AA Way Of LIfe"? > >Any information would be appreciated. > >Bob W
The book had titles in five places: The front of the dust jacket; The spine of the dust jacket; The front board of the book; The spine of the book, and; The half-title page.
is the
Seventh Printing 1976. The Sixth Printing 1975 has "As Bill Sees It," as well as "The A.A. Way of Life" on the front of the dust jacket and ABSI on the spine of the DJ, but
has AAWoL in the other three locations. I have been told that the first time "As Bill Sees It" appeared was on the cover of the Fourth Printing 1972. I do not have a copy of the Third, but it is indeed on the DJ of the Fourth. The current printings still have "The A.A. Way of Life" on the title page. The very first printing of the volume was in 1967. I hope this helps. Tommy H in Baton Rouge IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3670. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "The AA Way Of Life/As Bill Sees It"
From: The Wilsons . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/4/2006 12:30:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Tom, Thanks for the insight. I hadn't thought to much about what I was asking I guess. I found out from GSO that the idea of changing it started to be discussed in February of 1970. In June of 1970 several names (A. A. Day by Day, A. A. For Today, 331 Thoughts From Bill or 500 Thoughts From Bill, A Reader By Bill, As Bill Says, Bills Reader, Inspiration From Bill and Bill Writes On The A. A. Way Of Life). It was decided that the new title should be "Day By Day By Bill" and to keep
"The A. A. Way Of Life" as a sub title. In the 1970 fall literature catalog, the book is titled "As Bill Sees It".
A. A. members from Seattle Washington. The remarks are directed towards congratulating the the member with suggesting the name that was selected. This why I was interested in finding out more about the name change.
Port Orchard WA
> At 10:00 8/30/2006 , pnwnatives wrote: > >
>> "As Bill Sees It" was first printed. >> >> I would also be interested in any information that >> is available regarding the change in names. Was the >> first printing of "As Bill Sees It" a first printing >> or was it carried on from "The AA Way Of LIfe"? >> >> Any information would be appreciated. >> >> Bob Wilson > > I suppose it depends on how you define your terms. > > The book had titles in five places: The front of the dust jacket; > The spine of the dust jacket; The front board of the book; The spine > of the book, and; The half-title page. > > The first printing that has "As Bill Sees It" in all five places is > the Seventh Printing 1976. > > The Sixth Printing 1975 has "As Bill Sees It," as well as "The A.A. > Way of Life" on the front of the dust jacket and ABSI on the spine of > the DJ, but has AAWoL in the other three locations. > > I have been told that the first time "As Bill Sees It" appeared was on > the cover of the Fourth Printing 1972. I do not have a copy of the > Third, but it is indeed on the DJ of the Fourth. > > The current printings still have "The A.A. Way of Life" on the title > page.
> > The very first printing of the volume was in 1967. > > I hope this helps. > > Tommy H in Baton Rouge > >
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From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/4/2006 10:26:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Bob The "AA Way of Life" was first published in 1967. Janet G assisted with editing (reference "AA Comes of Age" pg x, and "Pass It On" pg 360). The book had not yet been distributed as of the month of the Conference (April) so my assumption is that it likely started being distributed mid-1967. It was Bill's 6th and last book. The final report of the 1967 General Service Conference reported the following:
following actions: Reported that 'The A.A. Way of Life' is anticipated with great interest in all areas; noted enthusiastic reception of comic-book pamphlet, "What Happened to Joe"; voiced high hopes for "Newcomers Meeting Kit." and expressed interest in upcoming revisions of "A.A.
For the Woman," "Young People in A.A." and "Questions and Answers on Sponsorship."
of a resolution commending Janet G. and Bill W. for their work in compiling the new book, "A.A. Way of Life."
trustees committee on literature reported to the 1952 Conference on recommendations for literature to be retained and new literature that would be needed. Bill W also reported on the many literature projects that he was engaged in. One of Bill's projects was described as "A book on the application of AA philosophy to the total problem of living." The trustee's recommendations and Bill's projects were approved by the Conference unanimously. By approving literature to be retained, the 1952 Conference retroactively approved the Big Book and several existing pamphlets which included the long form of the Traditions.
Life" was changed to "As Bill Sees It" in 1975. This is not correct. The final
report of the 1971 General Service Conference started using the title "As Bill Sees It (AA Way of Life)." The parenthetical reference to "AA Way of Life" was dropped in the 1972 Conference report. There is no specific Conference advisory action that authorized the title change to the book. The 1970 Conference report still referenced the title as "The AA Way of Life." My assumption is that the trustees
changed the title in 1971 as a memorial to Bill W (who passed away on January 23, 1971). It was also one of the books that Bill and Lois received royalty payments on (the others were the Big Book, the 12and12 and "AA Comes of Age"). The royalties were based on the English language versions of the books sold. Cheers Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pnwnatives Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:00 AM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] "The AA Way Of Life/As Bill Sees It"
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was first printed. I would also be interested in any information that is available regarding the change in names. Was the first printing of "As Bill Sees It" a first printing or was it carried on from "The AA Way Of LIfe"?
Bob W _______________________ From the moderator: Bob, If you do a search through the past Messages, there are three messages that seem to be relevant to answering part of your question. Message 2519 1967 - The AA Way of Life (retitled in 1975 to As Bill Sees It) was published. Message 589 Janet G. - she and Bill, edited A.A. Way Life, became As Bill Sees It (G 27) (P 360) Message 164 Grapevine: Weren't there a number of projects Bill wanted to get to in the years following Dr. Bob's death? Nell Wing: In 1954, Bill had the idea of creating a writing and research team to help him with, among other things, a major history of AA. Bill's depression was still with him and he knew that if he could give a lot of time to doing something specific and keep at it, that would help the depression. He wanted to do a good, thorough history and also put together a new edition of the Big Book. The scope of the history project proved to be too much, though, and had to be scaled back. Nevertheless, the result was AA Comes of Age. The new edition of the Big Book finally did get completed, and Bill was also eager to do a summing up of what he had learned, the wisdom that had come up through the Fellowship. He had a very precise idea of the kind of book he wanted to write, but he wasn't able to do it. In the end, what took its place was As Bill Sees It - not a bad substitute! _______________________ As far as I know, there has been no discussion however of why the title was changed from "The AA Way of Life" to "As Bill Sees It."
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