OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part A

1. 
   the wills of WILLIAM (St Erth family 2) and WILLIAM (-THISTLETON)
   
2. 
   1871 census details provided by Lyn Nash lynnash@webaxs.net and Kindred Konnections give the link but it was necessary to correct the date of the death of WILLIAM (senior) (see below).
   
3. 
   a letter from Les Smith
   

Unconnected Family 47 (HERBERT-LESLIE and MARJORIE and children) was constructed from:

1. 
   letter from Linda(-Jane) Mills (née Tregenza 1947) including photo of her great-grandfather (THOMAS-THISTLETON) with his chip van at Prase-an-beeble
   
2. 
   general records
   

Unconnected Family 75 (THOMAS and CAROLINE and first four boys) was constructed from:

1. 
   using 1891 census found by Clive-John Allen (UCF 6) – original data is now lost but found on www.freecen.org.uk (see below)
   

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  LILLIAN-A born 16MAR1903 Wyoming, died Sonoma California which is same place as GEORGE 1891 may be his wife - child called LILIAN [Californian death records]
  
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  Also name Rutter appears in St Erth Family 6b.
  
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  Fellock is probably Phillack.
  
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  East Penwith Petty Sessions "John Tregenza, son of hot-chipped potato van proprietor of the same name, stated that the defendant bought some chips at his van. He saw some 3 about and saw ...." Cornishman 29NOV1906 www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk may be son of THOMAS-THSTLETON and brother of MAE
  

1881 census 39 Union Street Camborne FHL film 1341561 PRO ref. RG11 piece 2334 folio 60 page 8

WILLIAM

Tregenza

head

widower

65

labourer general

St Erth

of St Erth family 2

1881 census Corlean Ruan Minor FHL film 1341559 PRO ref. RG11 piece 2325 folio 61 page 9 and also www.freecen.org.uk

WILLIAM	Tregenza	head	unmarried	42	engine driver	Hayle
EMMA	Tregenza	sister	unmarried	30	housekeeper	Hayle

1871 census Grade district 12 schedule 007 from website Kindred Konnections, Les Smith and Lyn Nash.

Wm.	Batten	head	married	39	fshrmn		Paul
Eliz.	Batten	wife	married	38	-		Madron
Thos.	Batten	son	-	13	labourer		Paul
Robt. Geo.	Batten	son	-	10	sch		Paul
Matilda B.	Batten	daughter	-	7	sch		Paul
Eliz.	Batten	daughter	-	4	sch		Paul
HONOR	Tregenza	visitor	-	16	-		Paul

1871 census Paul district 5 schedule 33 from Kindred Konnections

Jas	Guy	head	married	51	fshrmn	Madron
Mary	Guy	sister	unmarried	57	washwomn	Madron
Honor	Guy	M	married	46	-	Scilly
HONOR-T.	Tregenza	visitor	-	14	gardenr lab	St Austell

John	Martin	lodger	married	41	marble mason	1830	Penzance
Eliz.	Rutter	head	widow	46	shopkeeper	1825	Landewednack
Mary A	Rutter	daughter		14	scholar	1857	Grade
Solomon	Rutter	son		9	scholar	1862	Grade
Wm	TregengO	lodger	widower	55	engine driver	1816	St Erth
Wm	Tregenza	lodger	unmarried	30	blacksmith	1841	Fellock
Saml	Willis	lodger	unmarried	31	marble mason	1840	Plymouth

1881 census from www.familysearch.org dwelling Magor, Illogan film 1341560 ref. RG11 piece 2332 folio 65 page 1 and www.freecen.org.uk

Jacob	Cocking	head	married	65	colt trainer	Illogan
Eliza	Cocking	wife	married	59		Redruth
Ann	Medling	daur	married	26		Illogan
James C.	Medling	grandson		6		Illogan
Jacob	Medling	grandson		6m		Illogan
CAROLINE	Tregenza	daur	married	24		Illogan
THOMAS	Tregenza	son in law	married	25	serpentine turner	St Just

1851 census St Austell Charlestown read from fiche and from www.freecen.org.uk

WILLIAM	Tregenza	head	married	34	tin smelter	St Earth
ELIZABETH	Tregenza	wife	married	35		St Mary ?
WILLIAM	Tregenza	son		10		Phillick
GEORGE	Tregenza	son		9		Penzance
ELIZABETH	Tregenza	dau		7		St Earth
EDWIN	Tregenza	son		4		St Earth
EMMA	Tregenza	dau		3		St Earth

1861 census 8 Paul Hill Newlyn RG9/1592 district 7 folio 119 page 2 schedule 9 from www.freecen.org.uk

WILLIAM	Tregenza	head	married	46	labourer	St Erth
ELIZABETH	Tregenza	wife	married	45		St Mary’s Scilly
WILLIAM	Tregenza	son	unmarried	20	labourer	Phillack
GEORGE	Tregenza	son	unmarried	19	labourer	Madron
ELIZABETH-A	Tregenza	dau	unmarried	17		Madron
EDWIN	Tregenza	son	unmarried	15	labourer	St Just
EMMA-J.	Tregenza	dau		13	unreadable scholar	St Just
HONOR	Tregenza	dau		6	scholar	St Austel
THOMAS	Tregenza	son		3		St Just

1871 census no 24 at 1 Penpoll Gate Row Phillack

Mary	Potter		widow	33	charwoman	Marazion
Francis	Potter	son		5	scholar	Phillack
Richard	Potter	son		3	scholar	Phillack
ELIZABETH	Tregenza	mother in law	widow	66	formerly domestic servant	Gulval

1911 census Dolcoath Terrace Camborne RG14/14012 from www.1901censusonline.com

WILLIAM-CHARLES	Tregenza	head	married	26	fitter in a safety fuse works	*
LAURA	Tregenza	wife	married	25		Camborne
ROSETTA-MAUD	Tregenza	daughter		2		Camborne

THOMAS	Tregenza	head	married	53	fish and chip vendor	St Just Cornwall
CAROLINE	Tregenza	wife	married	54	assistant in business	Roscroggan Illogan Cornwall
HERBERT	Tregenza	son	single	22	moulder iron foundry	Albert Street Camborne
GEORGE	Tregenza	son	single	19	assistant in business	Water Style Camborne *
HELENA-ELIZA	Tregenza	daughter	single	17	assistant in business	Water Style Camborne *
LEONARD	Tregenza	son		13	at school	Water Style Camborne *
HILDA	Tregenza	daughter		11	at school	Water Style Camborne *
Ann	Medlyn **	sister-in-law	widow	56		Roscroggan Illogan Cornwall

** Medlyn also found in Mylor Family 5

EMMA	Tregenza	daughter	unmarried	22	housekeeper	St Erth
THOS.	Tregenza	son		13	scholar	St Just in Penwith

1891 census Church Lane Camborne All Saints Tuckingmill RG12/1851 district 16 folio 126 page 35 schedule 237 www.freecen.org.uk and www.findmypast.co.uk

THOMAS	Tregenza	head	married	33	tin dresser serpentine works *	St Just
CAROLINE	Tregenza	wife	married	34		Illogan
THOMAS	Tregenza	son	-	8		Illogan
WILLIAM	Tregenza	son	-	6		Camborne
EDWIN-J.	Tregenza	son	-	4		Camborne
HERBERT-A.	Tregenza	son	-	2		Camborne

1871 census Madron district 9 schedule 1 from Kindred Konnections

Jas	Barnes	head	married	38	farmer 12 acres	Paul
Rebecca	Barnes	wife	married	37		Madron
Wm	Barnes	son	unmarried	16		Victoria Aus.
Jas	Barnes	son	-	12		Madron
John	Barnes	son	-	10	sch	Madron
Thos	Barnes	son	-	6	sch	Madron
Hannah	Barnes	daughter	-	2		Madron
Richd	Barnes	son	-	1m		Madron
ELIZ.-ANN	Tregenza	servant	unmarried	27	dom. sv.	Madron

1841 census Fradgan Newlyn HO107/143/9 district 17 folio 20 page 32 from www.freecen.org.uk

Wm.	Thistleton	70*	pension	outside census county
Blanch	Thistleton	60*		Cornwall
Honor	Thistleton	17*		Cornwall
Willm.	Tregenza	25*	miner	Cornwall
Elizth.	Tregenza	24*		Cornwall
Willm.	Tregenza	10m		Cornwall

1. 
   Unconnected Family 133 (Glasgow) joined here
   
2. 
   an IGI record from www.familysearch.com
   
3. 
   Cornwall Online Parish Clerks’ database www.cornwall-ops-database.org
   
4. 
   the birth certificates of SARAH-WILLIAMS 1867, WILLIAM(-DOWNING) 1863, WILLIAM-DOWNING 1915 and GEORGE-HENRY 1871
   
5. 
   the marriage certificates of SARAH-WILLIAMS 1892 and GEORGE-HENRY 1862
   
6. 
   death certificate of GEORGE-HENRY from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
   
7. 
   birth, death and marriage records (lists of records and facsimiles of them from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk)
   
8. 
   WILLIAM-DOWNING seaman’s identity card and medal record from www.national.archives.org.uk
   
9. 
   1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses from Kindred Konnections, www.findmypast.co.uk and www.freecen.org.uk plus 1901 census from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (see below)
   

Unconnected Family 133 (WILLIAM-DOWNING and family) was constructed from:

1. 
   birth records (facsimile) all children of WILLIAM-DOWNING and SUSAN from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
   
2. 
   death records of WILLIAM-DOWNING born 1915 and WILLIAM-DOWNING 1863 from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
   
3. 
   1891 census from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
   

1901 census 5 Green Road Joker Refrew Scotland schedule 23 from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Francis	McDonald	head	married	32	janitor	worker	*
Mary	McDonald	wife	married	25			Glasgow
Elizabeth	Tregenza	visitor	single	14	dressmaker	worker	Govan
George	Kilpatrick	boarder	single	21	grocers assistant	worker	*
Hough	Campbell	boarder	single	19	waiter spirit shop	worker	Mull

William	Downing	head	married	55	boat-builder	Paul
Mary-H.	Downing	wife	married	53	-	Paul
Ann	Downing	daughter	unmarried	27	dressmaker	Paul
William	Downing	son	unmarried	25	boat-builder	Paul
Eliz.	Downing	daughter	unmarried	21	tailoress	Paul
Kitty	Downing	daughter	unmarried	19	drapers assistant	Paul
Margaret	Downing	daughter		16	drapers assistant	Paul
Eliza-Willis	Downing	daughter		14	scholar	Paul
John	Downing	son		10	scholar	Paul
Henry	Downing	grand-son		3	scholar	Paul
SARAH-H	Tregenza	grand-daughter		3	scholar	Paul

1871 census Bell street Turpin’s Bank North Shields Tynemouth Northumberland RG10 piece 5112 folio 20 page 33 district 1 from www.findmypast.co.uk

GEORGE-H.	Tregenza	head	*	29	*	Cornwall
MARY-H.	Tregenza	wife	*	29	*	Cornwall
WILLIAM	Tregenza	son	*	6	*	Cornwall
GEORGE-H.	Tregenza	son	*	0	*	Northumberland

William	Downing	head	married	35	shipwright	Cornwall - Paul
Mary	Downing	wife	married	33		Cornwall - Paul
Mary-Harvey	Downing	dau	-	9	scholar	Cornwall - Paul
Anne	Downing	dau	-	7	scholar	Cornwall - Paul
William	Downing	son	-	5	scholar	Cornwall - Paul
Arthur	Downing	son	-	4	scholar	Cornwall - Paul
Elizabeth	Downing	dau	-	1		Cornwall - Paul

1861 census 12 Upper Fradgan Newlyn RG9 piece 1592 folio 86 page 16 district 5 Schedule 92 from www.freecen.org.uk

William	Downing	head	married	45	shipwright	Cornwall - Paul
Mary-H.	Downing	wife	married	43		Cornwall - Paul
Mary-H.	Downing	dau	unmarried	19	cap maker	Cornwall - Paul
Anne	Downing	dau	unmarried	17	dressmaker	Cornwall - Paul
William	Downing	son	-	15	shipwright	Cornwall - Paul
Elizabeth	Downing	dau	-	11	scholar	Cornwall - Paul
Kitty	Downing	dau	-	8	scholar	Cornwall - Paul
Margaret	Downing	dau	-	6	scholar	Cornwall - Paul
Eliza-W.	Downing	dau	-	4	scholar	Cornwall - Paul
John	Downing	son	-	8m		Cornwall - Paul

1891 census Stret-an-Nowan, Fradgan, Newlyn Paul parish RG12/1856 district 6 folio 100 page 15 schedule 104 from www.findmypast.co.uk

William	Downing	head	married	75	shipwright (employee)	Paul
William	Downing	son	single	45	shipwright (employee)	Paul
SARAH	Tregenza	grand-daughter	single	23	housekeeper (employee)	Paul

William	Downing	head	married	65	boat-builder	Paul
Mary-H.	Downing	wife	married	63	-	Paul
William	Downing	son	unmarried	35	boat-builder	Paul
Eliza-W.	Downing	daughter	unmarried	24	drapers assistant	Paul
Henry	Downing	grand-son		13	scholar	Paul
SARAH-W	Tregenza	grand-daughter		13	scholar	Paul

Note:

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  In the original St Erth family 4 (now part A) there was GEORGE born 1842 approx. Penzance district (age 9 the 1851 census) who was recorded as dying in Scotland. His father was living in Newlyn at the Fradgan at the 1841 census before GEORGE was born. GEORGE was in Newlyn (age 19 recorded as born in Madron parish) at the 1861 census and living with his parents at 8 Paul Hill. There are no records for him after 1861 ! The GEORGE-HENRY born 1842 approx. of Unconnected Family 102 married in Newlyn in 1862 to Mary-Harvey Downing who lived with her parents in the Fradgan less than a minute’s walk from 8 Paul Hill Newlyn and his son WILLIAM-DOWNING was born in less than nine months in 1863 at the Fradgan Newlyn. SARAH-WILLIAMS was his second child born 1867 at the Fradgan Newlyn. There are no records found for GEORGE-HENRY prior to his marriage. It was decided that these were the same people and so Unconnected Family 102 was joined to St Erth Family 4 as part B. Absolute proof would be a birth certificate but none could be found. Use of SARAH-WILLIAMS as first names occurs nowhere else and for SARAH-WILLIAMS born 1867 it would be her great-grandmother’s name and that of GEORGE’s aunt born 1851 died 1859 about eight years before his first daughter was born. Although the use of first names and the localities link the two families there is contradictory information in the death certificate of GEORGE-HENRY in Scotland which gave his mother’s surname as Daaris (not Downing) and his father’s occupation as brewer (not labourer) - this is presumably because of lack of information of his offspring. The first names of mother and father of both GEORGEs are the same. [The southern part of Newlyn is in Paul parish and the northern in Madron parish with the Coombe (river) as the boundary - much of Newlyn including all the non-conformist chapels, the harbour, Paul Hill, the Fradgan and 'uplong' are in Paul parish but St Peter's, the only Anglican church, is in Madron parish.]
  

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  Other records
  

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  ELIZABETH-M. born 1931 Plantation Glasgow, died 1936 age 4 Cathcart Glasgow
  
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  GEORGE-ADDISON born 1929 Plantation Glasgow , died 1929 age 0 Plantation Glasgow
  
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  JAMES-LANGMUIR born 1909 approx., died 1986 age 77 Glasgow City
  
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  LIZZIE-BUSHNELL born 1907 approx., died 1987 age 80 Strathendrick Balfron Stirling (related surnames Andrews and Murch – probably daughter of WILLIAM-JOHN)
  
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  ROBERT born 1892 approx., died 1988 age 96 Glasgow City
  
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  WILLIAM born 1928 Plantation Glasgow
  
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  WILLIAMINA born 1920 Plantation Glasgow