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Year ... <1 ..... 1-5 .... >5 ..... Average **77 ... 37.3% .. 38.0% .. 24.7% ... 4 years **80 ... 36.4% .. 37.2% .. 26.4% ... 4 years **83 ... 37.7% .. 36.9% .. 24.9% ... 4 years **86 ... 32.8% .. 38.4% .. 29.0% ... 4+ years **89 ... 34.6% .. 36.4% .. 28.9% ... 4+ years 1989 ... 34% .... 37% .... 29% ..... 4+ years 1992 ... 31% .... 34% .... 35% ..... 5+ years 1996 ... 27% .... 28% .... 45% ..... 6+ years 1998 ... 27% .... 26% .... 47% ..... 7+ years 2001 ... 30% .... 22% .... 48% ..... 7+ years Per the 1989 Survey: 41% of those sober <1 year stay sober and active another full year. 83% of those sober 1-5 years stay sober and active another full year. 91% of those sober >5 years stay sober and active another full year. This 40/80/90 had been reasonably consistent through previous surveys. The average years of sobriety has increased since 1989. For those unfamiliar with Alcoholics Anonymous, sobriety in A.A. means continuous and complete abstinance from alcohol in any form. This table represents only those who are sober and still attending meetings. Someone who got sober in A.A. and who is staying sober by some other means would not appear in the survey. ___________________ En2joy! Tom En2ger IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2054. . . . . . . . . . . . Sad News from GSO From: AC . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/29/2004 6:22:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII MEMORANDUM October 28, 2004 To: Area Registrars/Secretaries General Service Conference Members From: Greg Muth, General Manager General Service Office, New York RE: Elaine Soroka We are saddened to inform you that our dear friend and colleague, Elaine Soroka, passed away on Sunday, October 24, 2004. Elaine had been working at G.S.O. since 1993. As Manager of Support Services at G.S.O., which also included the Records and Files departments, Elaine interacted on a daily basis with Area Registrars/Secretaries throughout the U.S. and Canada. Her dedication to Alcoholics Anonymous will always be remembered and her friendship will be missed by many. I know you all join us here at G.S.O. in sending our condolences to Elaine's family and friends. Condolences may be sent to: Family and Friends of Elaine Soroka 191 73rd Street, Apt. #264 Brooklyn, N.Y. 11201 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2055. . . . . . . . . . . . Old black and white movie on Bill Wilson
From: the_alky . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/4/2004 9:44:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I hope you will be inclined to lend some assistance. I need to get in contact with someone who can help track down some information about a TV movie that I saw while stationed with HHB 2/6 field Artillery 3rd Armored Division Hanau Germany 1986 - 1988. It was a black and white film on the life and formation of Bill Wilson and Alcoholics Anonymous. This movie (whose title I only remember a fragment of) has eluded my ability to locate it via the WWW. I believe the title had something to do with a mirror, IE: The mirror looking back or something like that. It is definitely a black and white film. Thanks, Tor IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2056. . . . . . . . . . . . The Oxford Group is Not Gone From: ny-aa@att.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/5/2004 1:12:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The Oxford Group never completely disappeared as some seem to believe. Many of its principles led to the formation of Alcoholics Anonymous. The name changed as its primary purpose evolved. Other organizations and fellowships have spun off of it, each with its own purposes. The Oxford Group principles are alive today in "Initiatives of Change" and the "WorldSmart Leadership Program" and in the spin-off fellowship of "Alcoholics Anonymous." Other names used recently but less frequently today are "Moral Re-Armament" or "MRA" and "Up With Poeple." Here are some of the names by which the work of Frank Buchman has been known and still is known. "Buchman Clubs" (1915) Early work with seamen by Buchman and his teams led to the formation of several Buchman Clubs on ships and in port cities. "A First Century Christian Fellowship" (1922) Frank Buchman described his fellowship as "first century Christianity." He was bothered by the sterility of many organized religions in not turning their messages into actions. This name never amounted to much more than the name itself. It applied to a small group who gathered around Buchman, but most didn't use this name for their society. NOT "Buchmanism" (1926) Those following Buchman's methods had an enthusiasm that was naturally attractive. There were enough of them that it appeared to others that they were attempting to take over a conference. The name "Buchmanism" sometines was used by critics as a term of derision. It was intended to imply that the work came from his ego. "Oxford Group" (1928) An evangelical movement developed and teams traveled the world spreading their message. It was never associated with the University at Oxford, England, but many students there were particulary active. One group was traveling in South Africa in 1928 when a railway porter hung a sign saying "Oxford Group" to identify their rail car. News reports of their activities started using this name. Without much of a deliberate decision, it became their name by default. They eventually, ten years later, took it as the official legal name to make it possible to receive bequests as a non-profit organization. NOT "Oxford Movement" (1833-1845) The similarity of the name to "The Oxford Movement" led to some confusion. The Oxford Movement was an attempt around 1833 through 1845 by Anglican priests at Oxford University to restore some Roman Catholic doctrins and rituals to the Church of England. The Oxford Group avoided attaching the term Movement to their name. NOT "The Oxford Pledge" (1933) The Oxford Debating Society of the Oxford Union was known for what was called the "Oxford Pledge" or the "Oxford Oath" in which members of that organization vowed "not to fight for King or country." This was seen as pacifist and possibly Communist. The Oxford Group was not related to the Oxford Debating Society but the confusion brought undeserved criticism and suspicion. "Alcoholics Anonymous" (1935 or 1939) Both A.A. co-founders Bill W and Doctor Bob were active with the Oxford Group before they met. Early A.A. was "The Alcoholic Squad" of the OG. In 1939 it took on the name Alcoholics Anonymous from its book. A.A. eventually went its own way and separated from the Oxford Group. While some in both fellowships were bothered by the split, others welcomed it. This happened about the time that public pressures and criticism against the Oxford Group was leading to a name change for that fellowship. The separation proved beneficial to both organizations. "Moral Re-Armament" (1938) "MRA" (1938) There were critics who objected to Buchman's work and methods. Some of it was by misunderstanding. Some of it was that his teams tended to sweep in and gather up the willing "sinners" from under the noses of other Christian organizations. Others objected to the freedom with which some included details of their faults in telling their stories of having been changed. The mission evolved from saving sick souls to saving a sick world. Some at Oxford University objected to the use of the Oxford Group name. Frank Buchman made some comments about Hitler that were taken out of context and misinterpreted in the press and he was labeled as a Nazi-lover. In 1938, with World War II on the horizon, the Oxford Group took on the name of "Moral Re-Armament" or simply "MRA." As the west re-armed militarily in preparation for the impending war, the Oxford Groupers said it would be necessarily to re-arm morally to be able to work together for that cause. "Up With People" (1965) "WorldSmart Leadership Program" (2002) The "Up With People" singing groups were a side development supported by MRA.
These teams of energetic wholsome young people started in 1965 to counteract the negativity in the United States at that time. They carried a message of love, tolerance, and understanding. Up With People recently evolved to include the "WorldSmart Leadership Program" which provides international opportunities for young people. "Initiatives of Change" (2001) "IofC" (2001) In 2001, the name "Initiatives of Change" was adopted by what was left of MRA to reflect the further evolution of MRA's purpose and methods. They believe that changing personal lives leads to improved international understanding. _____________________ En2joy! Tom En2ger IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2057. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Old black and white movie on Bill Wilson From: Joe Petrocelli . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/5/2004 9:48:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hope this will be of some help. Try to contact Bill Pittman at Hazelden. He is the Director of Hazelden Historian Infomation. His email is as follows bpittman@hazelden.org His tel3 is 1 800 328 9000 ext 4364. that may not be the correct ext number but the tel operator will connect you to him. Again hope it will help--he has a wealth of historical data available. Joe Petrocelli 14 Pine Rd Belmont, Maine 04952 jopet34@yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2058. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Old black and white movie on Bill Wilson From: t . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/6/2004 4:27:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AA movies 'Lost Weekend' 1945. Strictly fiction but many details resemble Bill's story. 'Days of Wine and Roses' Des Moines A.A.s had a professional movie camera crew record activities at one
of their regular Saturday night open house parties at their newly-painted clubhouse. The showing (for members and friends only) was scheduled for July 1946. 'Problem Drinkers'. [adapted from a March of Time newsreel to a movie] 1946 [first public film record of AA work - according to Grapevine Aug 1946. may be same
as mentioned above from Des Moines] Hal H. Wallis, motion picture producer, cancelled plans to make a full-length motion
picture about Alcoholics Anonymous. [according to Grapevine June 1947] 'Smash-Up' -prepared with assistance from NCEA [date unknown, sometime late 40's] 'I am an Alcoholic' movie short [sometime in late 40's] A report was rumored from Hollywood ...a super movie is being made and will be called "Love Inside AA" ... bottle fugitives build Love's bonfire while saving souls
... hear thrilling true confessions as drunks tell all. ... ... the movie company spent vast sums and precious time to change a shallow script into an adult and honest picture [revised title not given] [from Grapevine article, Public Relations, in Nov 1951 on things that 'almost
happened' in AA] 'Come Back, Little Sheba' 1952 'Bills Own Story' produced by AAWS in early 1960's to preserve Bill telling his story for archival purposes
and 'Bill Discusses the 12 Traditions' produced by AAWS about a year later. Has Bill speaking to a group of GSO people
around a conference table. Both these were reportedly home-movie quality, and somewhat disapointing to the Conference - never received Conference-approval, though available from GSO as service
material. They are both restricted to use within the fellowship only. 'Mr & Miss Anonymous' proposed name of a movie a large motion-picture producer wanted to make, portrayed A.A. lopsided, rewritten and changed name, A.A. thought of suing, didn't (mentioned in AA Comes of Age p.126) [may be same as 'Love Inside AA' mentioned above] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2059. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Old black and white movie on Bill Wilson From: Warren Kegebein . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/8/2004 5:41:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In the 50's or early 60's Lutheran Social Services sponsored and produced stories of a spiritual nature which were aired on Sunday mornings. I vividly recall one in which William Shatner starred as Bill Wilson. I believe the hotel lobby experience was actually filmed in Akron. I saw the film one time in treatment in 1973 and have been trying to track it down ever since I got a computer. Seeing it in treatment triggered the memory of seeing it in my late teens or early twenties. As I recall AA wasn't mentioned or if it was it was only at the end.
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2060. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Re: Old black and white movie on Bill Wilson From: Pittman, Bill . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/11/2004 2:00:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Voice In The Mirror Universal Pictures 1958 Black & White Richard Egan & Julie Andrews -----Original Message----- From: Warren Kegebein [mailto:MRGOTROCKS@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:41 AM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Old black and white movie on Bill Wilson In the 50's or early 60's Lutheran Social Services sponsored and produced stories of a spiritual nature which were aired on Sunday mornings. I vividly recall one in which William Shatner starred as Bill Wilson. I believe the hotel lobby experience was actually filmed in Akron. I saw the film one time in treatment in 1973 and have been trying to track it down ever since I got a computer. Seeing it in treatment triggered the memory of seeing it in my late teens or early twenties. As I recall AA wasn't mentioned or if it was it was only at the end. Yahoo! Groups Links IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2061. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Re: Old black and white movie on Bill Wilson From: michael oates . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/11/2004 4:30:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII How do we get a copy of this movie. Michael Oates --- "Pittman, Bill" > Voice In The Mirror Universal Pictures 1958 Black & > White > Richard Egan & Julie Andrews > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Kegebein [mailto:MRGOTROCKS@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 4:41 AM > To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Old black and white > movie on Bill Wilson > > > > > > In the 50's or early 60's Lutheran Social Services > sponsored and > produced stories of a spiritual nature which were > aired on Sunday > mornings. I vividly recall one in which William > Shatner starred as > Bill Wilson. I believe the hotel lobby experience > was actually filmed > in Akron. I saw the film one time in treatment in > 1973 and have been > trying to track it down ever since I got a computer. > Seeing it in > treatment triggered the memory of seeing it in my > late teens or early > twenties. As I recall AA wasn't mentioned or if it > was it was only at > the end. > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2062. . . . . . . . . . . . conceptions From: NORMANSOBRIETY@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/17/2004 4:18:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Dear history lovers, I sent you an e-mail on the 8/11/2004. Regarding the conceptions I have not had a reply so far. I was at a meeting about two weeks ago and the conceptions of 1935 were read out I have never heard of them before. Does anyone know any thing about them? Yours in the fellowship Norrie F. Oban Sunday night Scotland U.K. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2063. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: conceptions From: GitaByte@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/17/2004 6:18:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Norrie - I think you are actually refering to the 12 Concepts for World Service which Bill W. delivered at the 10th General Service Conference in 1960. For historical info please try this link; http://www.aaprimarypurpose.org/BillW12Concepts.htm For the 12 Concepts list go here; http://www.aaprimarypurpose.org/12concepts.htm Hope this helps - Peace, Gita In a message dated 11/17/2004 10:15:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, NORMANSOBRIETY@aol.com writes: Dear history lovers, I sent you an e-mail on the 8/11/2004. Regarding the conceptions I have not had a reply so far. I was at a meeting about two weeks ago and the conceptions of 1935 were read out I have never heard of them before. Does anyone know any thing about them? Yours in the fellowship Norrie F. Oban Sunday night Scotland U.K. ----------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links · To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/ · To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AAHistoryLovers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com · Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service [1] .
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2064. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: conceptions From: Charles Bishop, Jr. . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/17/2004 9:48:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Norrie F.: please send copy of the "conceptions" to the AA Hist. Lovers site. thanks, Charlie Bishop, Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: NORMANSOBRIETY@aol.com To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] conceptions Dear history lovers, I sent you an e-mail on the 8/11/2004. Regarding the conceptions I have not had a reply so far. I was at a meeting about two weeks ago and the conceptions of 1935 were read out I have never heard of them before. Does anyone know any thing about them? Yours in the fellowship Norrie F. Oban Sunday night Scotland U.K. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 2065. . . . . . . . . . . . EARLY A.A. PRISON GROUP (1944), Part 1 of 6
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 11/20/2004 8:43:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII EARLY A.A. PRISON GROUP (1944), Part 1 of 6, INDIANA STATE PRISON AT MICHIGAN CITY, Glenn C. (South Bend IN) Editor's introduction: The A.A. prison group at Michigan City in Indiana (founded in 1944) together with the A.A. prison group at San Quentin in California (founded in 1942) were the two best known groups for alcoholic convicts in the United States during the early years. The one at San Quentin (where Clinton T. Duffy was the warden) was the first, and there were additional successful attempts to set up groups at other prisons during the following two years, but Warden Alfred F. "Al" Dowd at the Indiana State Prison highly publicized the enormous success of the Indiana group among the prison wardens all over the country, and raised the Indiana program to national prominence. The major part of the story is told here by Nick Kowalski, one of the best story tellers and most important spiritual teachers of early Hoosier A.A., who had been sent to the Indiana State Prison for a murder which he committed in a confused alcoholic rage in a house of prostitution located in the seamy district along South Michigan Street in South Bend where a good many of the city's bars and places with nude dancers could be found. He had been brought up in an orphanage and had a deformed chest from the vitamin deficiency disease called rickets which he had developed from the inadequate diet at the orphanage. Not long after the last of several suicide attempts, Nick became one of the founding members of the little A.A. prison group, but only because they got him to that first meeting by promising him a piece of raisin pie smuggled from the prison kitchen. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sources: The following material is taken from the Northern Indiana Archival Bulletin, Vol. 1 (1998) No. 2. Published by the A.A. Archives Committee for Northern Indiana Area 22 (c/o Michiana Central Service Office, 814 E. Jefferson Ave., South Bend, IN 46617). For further background information on Nick Kowalski and early South Bend A.A., see the two-volume series on Lives and Teachings of the A.A. Old Timers put together by Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana) for the Michiana Conference held to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the bringing of A.A. to northern Indiana. This work is due to come out in a second edition Download 4.17 Mb. Share with your friends:
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