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movement also. A good many of Bill W.'s statements about the nature of God in the Big Book are cast in New Thought terminology. The same thing could be said about the second most published AA author, Richmond Walker, in "Twenty-Four Hours a Day." The focus in the Big Book on removing resentment and fear from our lives (in the fourth through seventh steps) is very much a kind of New Thought approach to spirituality. By removing the disturbances in our thoughts, we will heal our lives at every level.
______________________________ APPENDIX 1: UNITY CHURCH BELIEFS Five basic Unity Church principles: 1. There is only one Presence and one Power active as the universe and as my life, God the Good. 2. Our essence is of God; therefore, we are inherently good. This God essence was fully expressed in Jesus, the Christ. 3. We are co-creators with God, creating reality through thoughts held in mind. 4. Through prayer and meditation, we align our heart-mind with God. Denials and affirmations are tools we use. 5. Through thoughts, words and actions, we live the Truth we know.
1. God, Divine Mind, is the Source and Creator of all. There is no other enduring power. The nature of God is absolute good; therefore, all manifestations partake of good. What is called "evil" is a limited or incomplete expression of God or good. Evil's origin is ignorance. 2. We are spiritual beings, ideas in the Mind of God, created in God's image and likeness. The ideal expression for every human being is the pattern every person is seeking to bring forth. Each individual manifests the Christ in his or her own unique fashion. The perfect expression of the Christ is, therefore, different for each person. 3. Jesus was a special person in history who expressed perfection and thereby became the Christ, or Jesus Christ. He was a Teacher who demonstrated the importance of thoughts, words, and deeds in shaping the life and world of the individual. 4. Jesus' teaching was based on prayer, which to Him was conscious communion with God. Preparation for prayer involves the use of the spoken word, the creative power of God, which is made practical through denials and affirmations. Unity teaches that repeated use of statements of Truth (denials and affirmations) establishes right patterns of thinking, feeling, and acting. This is one way individuals use the creative power of God to take dominion over mind, body, and affairs.
there is One Infinite Mind which of necessity includes all that is, whether it be the intelligence in man, the life in the animal, or the invisible Presence which is God. In it we learn to have a spiritual sense of things. The Science of Mind is intensely practical because it teaches us how to use the Mind Principle for definite purposes, such as helping those who are sick, impoverished, or unhappy. Each one of us should learn to become a practitioner of this science, a demonstrator of its Principle, a conscious user of its Power. Power already exists, but the existence of Power is of no particular value to us until we use it. We must not only be conscious of Power, but we must be actively conscious of it. This is one of the first lessons we learn in the Science of Mind.
the Universe is fundamentally spiritual -- it has intelligence, purpose, beauty and order. Whether we call it God, spirit, energy, or Universal Intelligence, every person, place and thing emanates from this spiritual universe. We believe this Universal Intelligence is within us, as well as around us, and that we are conscious of it. The way of life we teach and practice is learning how to live in accordance with spiritual principles. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - APPENDIX 3: DIVINE SCIENCE BELIEFS God is all, both invisible and visible. One Presence, One Mind, One Power is all. This One that is all is Perfect Life, Perfect Love, and Perfect Substance. Man is the individualized expression of God and is ever one with this Perfect Life, Perfect Love, and Perfect Substance.
It proceeds from Divine Life, which is Good in all its manifestations. There is only one Power in the Universe, the Power we call God. There is no evil except that which is man-made. The normal state of man is abounding health. The Divine Purpose is to express the Joy of Life. The foundation truth of Divine Science is that limitless Being, God [Good], is equally present everywhere and is the ALL of everything. God is pure Spirit, absolute, changeless, eternal, manifesting in all creation. "God is everywhere, therefore God is here. What God is is everywhere, therefore what God is is here."
happens to the darkness which fills a room when the light is turned on? The darkness does not move out and go somewhere else, it simply does not exist in the presence of light. Darkness is not a reality, it is merely the absence of light. In the same way when the individual thought is centered upon the omnipresence of good, evil thought does not move out and continue to exist elsewhere; it simply becomes nonexistent. Evil has no reality within itself; it can have existence only so long as an individual supports it by his belief in it.
Science of Mind From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/6/2006 9:12:00 PM
of Mind" and I added a brief comment to it. We can't credit that book with starting AA but I'm sure it was a great help for many of the early members. Attending New Thought meetings in New York City and other places, I discovered that many AA members are also drawn to them. Marty M., one of the first women to get sober in AA, told me that her two best teachers were Bill W. and Raymond Charles Barker, a Religious Science minister in New York City. How did you ever get a name like Mama Duck? Mel Barger melb@accesstoledo.com (melb at accesstoledo.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mama.duck" To: Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Question about AA's link to Science of Mind > Hi everyone! I'm hoping to learn more about the > history of AA. > > I have a sister-in-law who is big into Science of Mind. > My husband is in Al-Anon and the three of us often have > conversations that find phrases and wording to be so similar > that I once spoke up about it. > > She told me that, and I can't remember exactly what she > said, but in a nutshell she credits Science of Mind for > the start of AA. > > I have limited knowledge of the history of AA but I've > never heard any connection to Science of Mind. Does > anyone know what I'm talking about or have any info > about this? > > Thanks a bunch! mama duck IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3777. . . . . . . . . . . . History site "Silkworth.net" website now off line -- Why? From: Robert Stonebraker . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 5:02:00 AM
www.silkworth.net, has gone offline? http://www.silkworth.net/ What sort of infringements are they speaking of below? Did GSO have anything to do with this? Thanks for your answer. Bob Stonebraker _______________________________________ SILKWORTH.NET IS OFFLINE TILL FURTHER NOTICE. Please except my apologies for any copyright infringements that may have occurred. silkworth.net was created strictly for carrying the message of Alcoholics Anonymous in hopes that it may have been of useful help to even a single individual and nothing more. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3778. . . . . . . . . . . . C. J. Brockwell From: Lance . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/8/2006 3:02:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I would love to learn more about CJ Brockwell! He was my sponor's sponsor! He was born in 1891 in Brooklyn NY and was "reborn" into our fellowship in 1935. He was referred to as "AA number 6". Please
contact me with any information! All is well here in Colorado Springs AA. HUGS!!! Lance from colorful Colorado!
From: Lawrence W. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/7/2006 9:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII timderan I have another question. Does anyone know the history of that section of the Big Book on Pages 83 and 84 that so many call the Promises?
after every step. The twelve promises were put in place to help others see the rewards of working the steps.
There was also an argument about whether there are 12 promises, or 13. The sentence before reads "As God's people we stand on our feet, we don't crawl before anyone." It was thought that was a promise also. Anyway since 10, 11, and 12 are maintenance and sharing the program steps, they wanted the promises to be after the ninth step. Larry W. ______________________________________ FROM THE MODERATOR (Glenn C., South Bend): Larry's sponsor was Ernie G. (the second Ernie, from Toledo), one of the good old timers from early Akron AA.
175, 226, 235, 253, 256, 258, 265, 300, 312-313. Ernie sponsored Larry in Adrian, Michigan. Larry says that the young man mentioned on p. 258 was not him however, because the date (1977) would be wrong for that. The first time Larry saw Ernie, he was astounded, because, he said, "He just seemed to glow with light." For most of what Ernie taught him, Ernie would say, "my sponsor told me." Larry finally asked who his sponsor had been, and Ernie said, "Why, Doctor Bob."
importance. Since Dr. Bob wrote almost nothing down, we are dependent on the witness of those who were taught by him, in our attempts to determine how he interpreted the message.
which Larry attends, reads the Twelve Promises as thirteen statements, beginning with "As God's people we stand on our feet; we don't crawl before anyone." Larry says that one of the first things Ernie said to him was, "You don't need to betray yourself any longer."
part of the tradition stemming from Dr. Bob and the original Akron A.A. group. We can also see it coming out in Clarence Snyder and many other of the good old timers from that part of Ohio.
6 inches tall (a full two meters tall in his cowboy boots).
South Bend, Indiana IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3780. . . . . . . . . . . . AA International Conventions - a list of all of them? From: righteousthug . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/7/2006 4:08:00 PM
to come up with a complete list of all our AA International Conventions. Could someone please assist w/ a list of the years and host cities? Thank you! /rt 6/14/88
++++Message 3781. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: AA International Conventions - a list of all of them? From: tomper87 . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 5:57:00 PM
2nd 1955 St. Louis, MO 3d 1960 Long Beach, CA 4th 1965 Toronto, CAN 5th 1970 Miami, FL 6th 1975 Denver, CO 7th 1980 New Orleans, LA 8th 1985 Montreal, CAN 9th 1990 Seattle, WA 10th 1995 San Diego, CA 11th 2000 Minneapolis, MN 12th 2005 Toronto, CAN 13th 2010 San Antonio, TX
> > Should be an easy one for all you 'old pros', but I haven't been able > to come up with a complete list of all our AA International Conventions. > > Could someone please assist w/ a list of the years and host cities? > > Thank you! > > /rt
> 6/14/88 >
++++Message 3782. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: History site "Silkworth.net" website now off line -- Why? From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 6:59:00 PM
Silkworth.net asking about what happened. Due to the nature of the announcement on the site regarding so-called copyright infringement, I would think that the legal team at AAWS, Inc. has been spending your money again silencing AA members. Jim did not change the message in any way. I am sure that AAWS, INC wasn't making any MONEY off of the Silkworth site and since they are protecting their PROPERTY, they used their PRESTIGE to threaten or actually sue the Silkworth site. Who is next? Maybe the History Lovers group? maybe all the other AA related sites on the net? Maybe only the ones with links to those who speak out against what is going on at AA HQ? I've been sharing info with someone on another site who contacted Mr. Jasper at AAWS and Mr. Jasper denies that AAWS had anything to do with the court case in Germany or Mexico despite what documents already prove. I'm sure that they will feign no knowledge of what has happened to Silkworth.net. Who is next? Who else will fall under the hatchet of the governing body in NYC? > Dear AA Friends, > > Does anyone know why one of my favorite sites, > www.silkworth.net, has gone offline? > > http://www.silkworth.net/ > > What sort of infringements are they speaking of > below? Did GSO have anything to do with this? > > Thanks for your answer. > > Bob Stonebraker > > _______________________________________ > > SILKWORTH.NET IS OFFLINE TILL FURTHER NOTICE. > > Please except my apologies for any copyright > infringements that may have occurred. silkworth.net > was created strictly for carrying the message of > Alcoholics Anonymous in hopes that it may have > been of useful help to even a single individual > and nothing more. > > > >
++++Message 3783. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: C. J. Brockwell From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 7:03:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I met Charlie Brockwell several times. Nell Wing and I had many conversations about Charlie and the veracity of his claims. She didn't remember Charlie in any of the documents..but...who knows? --- Lance > I would love to learn more about CJ Brockwell! He > was my sponor's > sponsor! He was born in 1891 in Brooklyn NY and was > "reborn" into > our fellowship in 1935. He was referred to as "AA > number 6". Please > contact me with any information! > All is well here in Colorado Springs AA. > HUGS!!! Lance from colorful Colorado! > > > > > > >
++++Message 3784. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: AA International Conventions - a list of all of them? From: William Middleton . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 8:01:00 PM
And, Atlanta, Georgia, July 2-6, 2015! "Y'all Come!" Respectfully, Bill Middleton Area 16 2015 International Bid Committee tomper87 AA International Conventions 1st 1950 Cleveland, OH 2nd 1955 St. Louis, MO 3d 1960 Long Beach, CA 4th 1965 Toronto, CAN 5th 1970 Miami, FL 6th 1975 Denver, CO 7th 1980 New Orleans, LA 8th 1985 Montreal, CAN 9th 1990 Seattle, WA 10th 1995 San Diego, CA 11th 2000 Minneapolis, MN 12th 2005 Toronto, CAN 13th 2010 San Antonio, TX
From: Lance Weldgen . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 10:27:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Mitchell! I have 2 photos and a percil art sketch of done by my (now deceased) sponsor. If you'd like I can email them to you...let me know.
Thank you. Lance Weldgen Colorado Springs formerly Chico, CA
"FORWARD" BUTTON. Glenn C. (Moderator) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3786. . . . . . . . . . . . Ninth Step Promises. From: CBBB164@AOL.COM . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 7:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII There are many more Promises in the Basic Text for Alcoholics Anonymous than those referred to as the "Ninth Step Promises." And there are more than twelve of them..Let's count. (1) If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be amazed before we are half way through. (2)We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness. (3)We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it. (4)We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace. (5) No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our experience can benefit others. (6)That feeling of uselessness and self-pity will disappear. (7)We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows. (8)Self-seeking will slip away. (9)Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change. (10)Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us. (11)We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle us.
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From: ROGER WHEATLEY . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/10/2006 2:08:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII THis may be semantics, but I am intrigued by this discussion and the credit given to the oral history tracing this 12 vs. 13 promises back to Dr. Bob and early Akron AA. I have heard many versions throughout the years, perhaps because much of our history is oral and our reliance on healing through storytelling. When I moved to Europe, the group in Belgium, the SHAPE Group, at the NATO Headquarters in Mons read the promises beginning with that phrase. I have travelled around and seen AA done enough different ways, all successful that there is little in format I gripe about anymore if the spirit of AA is present. However, this struck me as odd because this takes the last sentence of a paragraph above it and uses it for an introduction to the next paragraph completely out of context. While i dont doubt the validity of the claim that early AAs discussed 12 vs. 13 promises, I doubt the author/authors or those helping Bill in the editing process meant this as a promise. By the structure in fact I tend to doubt that they anticipated they would be numbered at all by us who arrived later. There is a strikingly similar paragraph in Emmet Fox's Sermon on the Mount listing a group of promises or metaphysical outcomes if you practice some simple spiritual principles, but for the life of me I cannot find the page number Download 13.83 Mb. Share with your friends:
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