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example that resolve a crisis. When sorely perplexed, the group inevitably turns to them for advice. They become the voice of the group conscience; in fact, these are the true voice of Alcoholics Anonymous. They do not drive by mandate; they lead by example. This is the experience which has led us to the conclusion that our group conscience, well- advised by its elders, will be in the long run wiser than any single leader. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3950. . . . . . . . . . . . Was it Finland referred to in Concept 12? From: Teemu . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/12/2006 3:52:00 AM
instance in an overseas area there was some rather bad publicity when a considerable section of the groups there became convinced they ought to accept money subsidies from their country's government to promote A.A. work, the A.A. Tradition notwithstanding. This internal difficulty should not have surfaced before the public because there was certainly nothing about it that mutual understanding and good temper could not have readily handled."
"overseas area" was Finland? At the beginning of the sixties there was a litigation in Finland (between those who accepted money subsidies and those who did not).
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in the introduction, where the 'chapter headings are words which are being very much emphasized at present (1934) by the Oxford Group Movement to which I, personally owe a great debt..'
attitudes came about as the result of having been 'challenged by the Oxford Groups ...'
made at a Methodist Summer School, the prose is very accessible and open and there are several phrases which echo the future text that Bill wrote.
Robyn
++++Message 3952. . . . . . . . . . . . Just for Today From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/13/2006 10:00:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From: Robyn Mitchell (dollyleggs1 at bigpond.com) Hey Guys, A while ago someone asked about where 'Just for Today' came from. In 'How to Stop Worrying and Start Living', Dale Carnegie says that Sybil F. Partridge wrote it in 1912.
Robyn
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Workshop is less than 9 months away. All AAHL's, if you can, Mark your calendars for Sept. 6-9 2007 in Bright Sunny WARM Phoenix, Arizona.
looking forward to re- acquainting with Vicki there and everyone who was in Baton Rouge as well as the other cities who previously hosted this fine event.
hospitality shown to us by Bobby and his Louisiana chefs.
and know that Akron Intergroup archives was probably responsible. Does anyone have a more detailed history of this workshop? Freezing in the Philadelphia fog, Shakey Mike Gwirtz - - - From the moderator: I have tried to get Gail LaC. in Akron to write up an account of how she and some of her fellow AA people started the workshops in Akron, because that (and Nancy Olson's forming of the AAHistoryLovers in March 2000) were two signs of a major grassroots awareness beginning to arise all over the AA world, that maintaining contact with our historical roots was vitally important to the continued health of AA.
Archives Workshop in Akron in 1996 was fairly sparsely attended, but that it went so well, that everyone there insisted that it be continued, and started spreading the word.
tossed me in a van and brought me to the second one, also in Akron, in 1997, and it was absolutely awesome. I got to have dinner with Ernie Kurtz (that is when he and I first met) and meet Mary Darrah, and hear Henrietta Seiberling's son speak.
story down with all the details. Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3954. . . . . . . . . . . . Who was B. L. from Manhattan, NY? From: rmcmillan5630 . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/15/2006 2:56:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hello all and best wishes! I am doing some research on the Traditions and found a series of articles in the Grapevine Archives written by a B. L., Manhattan, NY. Each article seems to be a "checklist" for each one the traditions.
no avail. Can someone help me out, please? Gratefully yours, rm IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3955. . . . . . . . . . . . 1st AA Southern Regional Meeting 1945
From: TBaerMojo@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/17/2006 4:13:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I am looking for original research or reports about the first AA Southern Regional meeting and the first meeting of the Commission on Education with Respect to Alcoholism as created by Act 115 of the Alabama Legislature June 16, 1945.
October of that year.
From: chief_roger . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/17/2006 6:47:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII -- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "dobbo101" > > Can anyone tell me where the just for today cards > we use in the UK originate from. Also are they used > in the rest of the world, USA, etc.? > Your question about the Just For Today card used in Great Britain AA is interesting. I had never seen it in 18 years of sobriety in the USA. I only encountered it after moving to Europe in 2002 and becoming involved in AA through Continental European Region.
beginnings 1965-2006. I searched it for references hoping to learn when and if this pamphlet was approved by the autonomous GSC of Great Britain. They do publish much of their own literature now and in addition to creating some helpful products, have sought permission and "anglicized" much AA literature ordinarily published and Conference Approved by the USA/Canada conference.
history. It seems to have been in use in Great Britain since at least 1971. The Digest is broken down into subject areas. I earliest reference in the section titled AA Members. It appears to be a report from a workshop on how to treat newcomers. 1971 Conference Report AA Members (among other suggestions, this one appears):
For Today" - "Introduction to AA" and so on, along with a list of the groups available in the area, and possibly at the foot of this an emergency telephone number to ring in case of urgent need. A copy of the "Newsletter" and "The Roundabout" may well help."
be a collective response to a question posed to conference, this quote appears.
Groups
"The response to the question contained in this Committee's title, "What Message?" was immediate and positive: "The message of the programme of recovery as presented in the Twelve Steps, The Twelve Traditions, the Big Book, and the Preamble." Mention was made of the Just For Today Card as being one means of preparing the soil in which the seed of the message will be planted to help the still suffering alcoholic."
appears in the Trustees Literature Committee report. Interestingly they appear to have questioned and determined the copyright had either expired or did not exist and moved to accept the piece as Conference-approved literature.
CONFERENCE APPROVED LITERATURE "The committee does not feel able to recommend that the seven leaflets: 15 Points to Consider Introduction to AA Who Me? Just For Today What is AA? Should become Conference Approved literature, although it is accepted that they will continue to be used widely in the Fellowship as aids, particularly to new members, in achieving and maintaining sobriety." 1979 Conference Report LITERATURE "iv) Copyright. It was reported to the committee that the leaflet "Just For Today" was no longer covered by the copyright laws and that it could be freely printed by A.A." 1981 Conference Report "Item 5
The Committee considered the Twelfth Step Wallet, and agreed its usefulness as holder for Literature. Four items were considered for inclusion in the Wallet as a Twelfth Step Pack. These were "A Newcomer Asks", "Preamble Card", "Is AA For You?", and the Just For Today Card. It was felt however, that only Conference-approved literature be provided and the question of copyright for the Just For Today Card was raised. This had been fully investigated and reported on by the Fourteenth General Service Conference in 1979 and found to be free of restriction. This being no known impediment, the Committee therefore recommends that the Just For Today Card be given Conference-approval and included in the Twelfth Step Pack." The card was later referred to in a 1984 Prison Committee report: 1984 Conference Report Prisons (AA Aftercare) "There was general agreement on helping released prisoners. The important factors were the meeting of prisoners on release and ensuring at their destination. One area arranged for a "Just For Today" card to be given to the prisoner on release with a contact telephone number written on it - an idea that was warmly received by the Committee."
Wrap-up
From: Robt Woodson . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/17/2006 1:58:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII To the AAhistorylover's group, I send my personal thanks, and another apology, in case anyone was inconvenienced by the problems that I had this year presenting accurate times for the Ceremony itself. With many thanks to you, the ceremony itself was a success, and very moving for those of us who were present...I like to think that we each brought a little of that light home with us. With your support the size of the affair has more than doubled from the first year's attendance, and we are hoping that with additional recognition the size will continue to grow in the next few years until we reach that magic "more than one hundred men and women" number that is mentioned in the Forward to the First Edition of the Big book in 1939. This year following dinner at a local restaurant eight of us walked the two and one half blocks to Townes Hospital to discover that several of you were there and waiting for us with more to arrive shortly including a wonderful couple from London in the U.K. With their presence, there were three countries, the US, Mexico, and the UK, and people from various cities and places including New York, Ohio and Akron, Stepping Stones from upstate New York, and New Jersey represented at the Candlelight gathering.
still at night, with the result that at least twenty were able to visit and pay their respects... the following evening we removed the Candle from the window in a similar ceremony to the first.
wish to thank those who were able to attend this year, (and those of you here, in Denmark, and certain Groups in Mexico who were with us in spirit).
of recommitment and dedication to our AA Fellowship.
made this event possible by opening their hearts and homes to our spiritual quest, and allowing the candle to remain, lit, in what is now a private residence.
with members of this group who met us in different places including Stepping Stones, on the streets of New York, and at our New York GSO Archives. It was a special journey for me, it helps to open my eyes to the amazing journey which we have taken, and are still undertaking, as a fellowhip in a very large and still expanding global village.
modern pilgrimage, we'll be there again next year.
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From: DudleyDobinson . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/14/2006 3:47:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi John, I have a 25th printing and it is the larger style. The title page gives Hazelden Center City as being the publishers. The same as the 23rd and 24th printings of 1969 and 1970. In 1996 Hazelden issued a 50th anniversary edition in the same format.
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From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2006 5:44:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From Mitchell K., Tom White, and Ernie Kurtz: it was Barry Leach. - - - From: "Mitchell K." (mitchell_k_archivist at yahoo.com) Could be Barry Leach (author of Living Sober). - - - From: Tom White (tomwhite at cableone.net) A good guess for BL of Manhattan is the late Barry Leach, a very considerable scribe, a good friend (secty?) to Lois, and author of the popular AAWS title Living Sober. - - - From: "Ernest Kurtz" (kurtzern at umich.edu) The "B.L." inquired about in a recent post was Barry Leach, who was also the main author of the AA book on spirituality called "Living Sober" and the pamphlet/series "Twelve Steps for the Older Member" -- not to mention a scathing attack on the political conservatism of the AA Board of Trustees.
(rmcmillan5630 at yahoo.com) asked: > Hello all and best wishes! I am doing some > research on the Traditions and found a series of > articles in the Grapevine Archives written by a > B. L., Manhattan, NY. Each article seems to be > a "checklist" for each one the traditions. > > I visited our archives and searched on B.L. to > no avail. Can someone help me out, please? > > Gratefully yours, > > rm
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++++Message 3960. . . . . . . . . . . . Photos of the first 100? From: broncoinsobriety . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2006 10:05:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Are there any pictures of the First 100? - - - From the moderator: Closer to forty than a hundred. But some versions of Nancy Olson's biographies of the authors of the stories in the Big Book have photos (when they could be found). See http://www.a-1associates.com/aa/Authors.htm for one version that has the photos. There used to be nice large photos of some of the early people hanging on the wall in one of the archives in Akron, I believe the one next door to Dr. Bob's house. Use Google, which has a button to click where you can look for images instead of text. Other members of the group can probably give us some valuable online sources of early AA photos, which I hope they will do.
From: TBaerMojo@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/17/2006 10:35:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I would like more information on the decision about the "Who Me" brochure since I believe it was developed and printed in Birmingham, Alabama, by Street Printing Company. Our own local archive does not have an original copy but we are seeking some locally. Tim B District 6/7 Archive Chairman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3962. . . . . . . . . . . . BL on the Traditions From: jlobdell54 . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2006 1:59:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII All twelve of the articles are (I believe) in Volume I of The Best of the Grapevine -- though not in order. Perhaps they could be reprinted in order by the Grapevine -- or, failing that, by the Archives in NYC?
NY?
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2006 4:04:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Friends, I concur that B.L. from Manhattan was Barry Leach. I took a photo of him with Lois at AA's 45th anniversary in Akron; the speaker was Jack Bailey of "Queen for a Day" fame. But I don't think Barry wrote "Twelve Steps and the Older Member," or at least the series I remember by that name. The author of that series was Jerome Ellison, who had once held good positions with The Readers Digest and Colliers Magazine. He followed up his GV series with another called "Twelve Steps and the Older Member Revisited," or something like that. Jerry was editor of the Grapevine very briefly in the early 1960s. He was a very good writer and had done several books. The book I liked, and still have, is "Report to the Creator," which covers his drinking, collapse, and recovery.
later on at his home in Guilford, CT. He died some years ago at age 73.
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(kurtzern at umich.edu) -- not to mention a scathing attack on the political conservatism of the AA Board of Trustees.
From: timderan . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/18/2006 2:18:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII "Can anyone tell me where the just for today cards we use in the UK originate from. Also are they used in the rest of the world, USA, etc.?"
can purchase them from Al-Anon as well as Hazelden and other resources devoted to recovery services.
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/19/2006 12:45:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I was hoping that someone else would respond to this question so that I could get additional history on this subject. In Philadelphia we have what is referred to as a Green Card. (Don't Download 13.83 Mb. Share with your friends:
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