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CHURCH, ANOLOGIES




Influence

Date: 3/1998.1465


A strange sign greets visitors to Vienna, Austria. Translated from the German, it says, "Welcome to Vienna, where the salt is in the saltshaker." Of course, the salt is in the saltshaker. Where else should it be? They mean that they don't put salt on the streets in the winter! The church, however, must never make the same boast. We are the salt of the earth, but we do no good if we stay in the saltshaker.

-- Robert C. Shannon, 1000 Windows, (Cincinnati, Ohio: Standard Publishing Company, 1997).

See: Matthew 5:13; Acts 17:1-6; Romans 1:8; 2 Corinthians 2:14; 1 Thessalonians 1:8
CHURCH, ANALOGIES

Rethinking the Message

5 June 2010 DCFC English Worship - [Extreme Makeover: Church Edition] 1 Cor 1:18-25 Rethinking the Message


SermonSpice - Rethinking Church

CHURCH, ATTENDANCE




Bored and Busy

Date: 4/2007.101


Hot Illustrations
A local newspaper had a Sunday morning religion section that contained, among other things, letters to the editor about various religious issues. Most weeks these letters were pretty innocuous, but one Sunday something was printed that became quite controversial.

A man wrote:

I quit going to church this year. I decided that listening to sermons week after week was a stupid thing to do. After all, I went to church for more than 40 years and during my lifetime I probably heard 5,000 sermons. I can only remember about five of them. What a waste of time. Bored and Busy

This sparked a fury of incoming letters. Some people wrote that sermons do make a difference, while others sided with Bored and Busy’s opinion that they were basically meaningless and unnecessary. Finally, one letter was printed that ended the debate:

I quit eating this year. Thanks to Bored and Busy’s insights, I decided that eating week after week was a stupid thing to do. After all, I have been eating for more than 40 years and during my lifetime I probably have eaten 5,000 meals. I can only remember about five of them. What a waste of time. Starved and Stupid

Where to Take It from Here...

Sometimes you may wonder what good it does to listen to sermons or participate in weekly Bible studies or have daily devotions. Like the first letter writer in the story, you may feel that you’re too bored or busy for the things of God. But don’t overlook the fact that you need those things to survive.

In order to grow as a Christian, you need spiritual food (1 Corinthians 3:2). You need to feed on the Word of God. Not every spiritual meal is going to be memorable, but it will provide you with the nourishment you need to survive and thrive as a Christian.


CHURCH ATTENDANCE

Church

Date: 11/2008.101


Humor / joke
Dictionary for Church attenders:

Pillars - worship regularly, giving time and money

Leaners - use the church for funerals, baptisms and weddings.

Specials - help and give occasionally for something that appeal to them

Annuals - dress up for Easter and come for Christmas programs

Sponges - take all blessings and benefits and even the sacraments but never give out anything themselves.

Scrappers - take offense and criticize
CHURCH, ATTENDANCE

Going in Circles

Date: 11/2005.101


June 26 2011 DCFC English Worship – [Carpe Diem: Live, Laugh & Love] Eccl 5:10-20 Is knowing God more practical than having money?
Scott Horrell - From The Ground Up - NT Foundations for the 21st Century Church, P 11
Processionary caterpillars feed on flowers and leaves as they move in long lines across the jungle floor. Each butts its head against the extremity of the one before it. And so life goes on.

Studying a group of processionary caterpillars, the French naturalist Jean-Henri Fabre induced them onto the move of a large vase. Uniting the last caterpillar with the first, Fabre formed a living circle with neither a beginning nor an end. He supposed that after a while the caterpillars would tire of their repetitious march, break their useless cycle and set off in a new direction. This however, was not the case. The caterpillars continued at the same velocity on the same futile path, hour after hour, night after night.

After several days, a favorite food was deliberately placed near the vase where it could be sensed by the caterpillars but not within immediate reach of the circle. Even then, each habitually followed the one before it. The caterpillars refused to vary from their routine, persisting instead on the same trajectory - day after day - in what became for them a march of death.

The processionary caterpillars were following past experience, instinct, tradition, precedent, custom, established pattern, what they had always done. But they were following blindly. Their confused activity with progress. Despite their best intentions, persistence and fortitude, these processionary caterpillars were going to die.

Are we like that in pursuit of material things, in 'doing-church'?

Many times we recall with gratitude our past experiences in the presence of the Lord. With nostalgia, we remember certain youth group, powerful evangelistic meetings, hymns or choruses that had touched us deeply. We yearn for others in the church to experience today the same consecration and aliveness in Christ that we have known.

ALSO -how are we doing church? Still the same? No change?
CHURCH, ATTENDACE

Habits

Date: 11/2007.101


07 Nov 2010 DCFC English Worship – [Satisfying Life’s Desires] Ps 84 Satisfying Soul Thirst

Dec 2016 GenPaul Retreat [Lingering in the presence of God] – Ps 84 Desiring God

Illustrations for Preaching & Teaching from Leadership Journal ed. Craig Brian Larson #100
In Pulpit Digest William H. Willimon used this illustration:
Philip Haille wrote of the little village of Le Chambon in France, a town whose people, unlike others in France hid their Jews from the Nazis. Haille went there, wondering what sort of courageous, ethical heroes could risk all to do such extraordinary good. he interviewed people in the village and was overwhelmed by their ordinariness. They weren't heroes or smart discerning people. Haille decided that the one factor that united them was their attendance, Sunday after Sunday, at their little church where they heard sermons of Pastor Trochme. Over time, they became by habit people who just knew what to do and did it. When it came time for them to be courageous the day the Nazis came to town, they quietly did what was right. One old woman, who faked a heart attack when the Nazis came to search her house, later said, "Pastor always taught us that there comes a time in every life when a person is asked to do something for Jesus. When our time came, we knew what to do."

The habits of the heart are there when they are most needed.


CHURCH, ATTENDANCE

Joke - Sporting Excuses

Date: 6/2006.101


1001 Humorous Illustrations for Public Speaking #70 - Joke
Here's on old classic entitled "Pastor Quits Sports: 12 reasons Why Local Clergyman Stopped Attending Athletic Contests."

1) Every time I went, they asked me for money.

2) The people with whom I had to sit didn’t seem very friendly.

3) The seats were too hard and not comfortable.

4) The coach never came to call on me.

5) The referee made a decision with which I could not agree.

6) I was sitting with some hypocrites who came only to see what others were wearing.

7) Some games went into overtime and I was late getting home.

8) The band played a few numbers that I had never heard before.

9) The games are scheduled when I want to do other things.

10) My parents took me to too many games when I was growing up.

11) Since I read a book on sports, I feel that I know more than the coaches anyhow.

12) I don’t want to take my children because I want them to choose for themselves what sport they like best.

On the bottom of the page was this one line postscript: "With apologies to those who use the same excuses for not coming to church."


CHURCH, ATTENDANCE

Secret Service – Joke

Date: 5/2008.101


17 Aug 2008 DCFC English - Heb 11:32-34/ Jud 6-7 - Gideon, 300 the Original
The Army of the Lord - Joke/ humor
Jack was in front of me coming out of church one day, and the preacher was standing at the door as he always is to shake hands.

The preacher grabbed Jack by the hand and pulled him aside. The pastor said to him, "You need to join the Army of the Lord! “Jack replied, "I'm already in the Army of the Lord, Pastor."

Pastor questioned, "How come I almost never see you except at Christmas and Easter?"

Jack whispered back, "I'm in the secret service."


CHURCH, ATTENDANCE

Sleeping In Church

Date: 3/2007.101


Preaching Magazine Jan 2007
A Sunday School teacher asked her children as they were on the way to church service, "And why is it necessary to be quiet in church?" One bright little girl replied, “Because people are sleeping."
CHURCH, ATTENDANCE

The Sanctifying Act of Meeting Together



Think about it–what do you have to sacrifice in order to regularly meet with the people of God?

http://www.churchleaders.com/smallgroups/small-group-articles/257941-sanctifying-act-meeting-together.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&utm_content=&bt_alias=eyJ1c2VySWQiOiI3YzBkMzkxYS1hMDVjLTQ2YzItYjI4Zi0yMWZkY2Y3ZGEzMzEifQ%3D%3D

There is a very, very clear instruction for group ministry found in Hebrews 10:24-25:

And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works, not staying away from our worship meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near.”

For the writer of Hebrews, it is essential that we continue to gather. There are a lot of reasons for this:



  • We need to remind each other of who God is.

  • We need to sit under the preaching of God’s Word so that we might know Him more.

  • We need to be surrounded by people who can encourage us in our faith and in good deeds.

  • We need to sing and speak and read so that we might remember the promises of God.

And the list can and should go on and on. But these are all things that happen when we meet together. The truth is, though, there is something very sanctifying about the very action of choosing to meet together at all, apart from what happens during that actual meeting. Let me hold up my family as a case study.

It’s Wednesday morning, 6:55 a.m. My wife and I are, most of the time, standing in the kitchen together. One of us is usually making eggs; the other one of us is about to head up the stairs to wake the zombies and taste their wrath because they’ve got to get up and go to school. Then comes the breakfast, the brushing of teeth and hair, the gathering of books, and we’re off—me to the interstate, and the lovely Jana Kelley to the minivan and the drop-off line.

Then the day is really rolling. For me, it’s an endless stream of conversations, emails, and meetings at work. By the time it’s 3 p.m., my eyes are usually bleary from looking at a screen all day. For Jana, it’s delivering kids to this school and then that one, then a regular system of other errands and necessities that have to happen on a weekly basis so that our home doesn’t implode. About the time my eyes are bleeding from the screen time, she’s back in line at the pick-up to gather kids, then onto the homework, the piano lessons, and even more household management. And this is where it gets tricky, because Wednesday is community group night.

And community group night is at our house.

So after the homework is done, the kids are fed, and I get home around 5:45, we’ve got roughly 30 minutes until the folks start showing up. And many weeks—most weeks—it’s really, really hard. Much harder than watching TV. At least once I think about how easy it would be for someone to be “sick.”

And that’s why the act itself of meeting together is sanctifying—it’s because when we choose to meet together, there’s an element of faith and sacrifice associated with doing so. And those two things move us forward with Jesus. Think about it—what would you (or do you) have to sacrifice in order to regularly meet with the people of God? Here are a few things:



  • You must sacrifice your time, which could be spent doing something else.

  • You have to sacrifice your priorities in order to make room for this one.

  • You have to sacrifice your comfort (especially if you’re an introvert) and give of yourself to this meeting.

  • You have to sacrifice your rest.

And in each of those things, you flex the muscle of faith in order to propel and motivate you into making that sacrifice:

  • You believe that the time you spend here will not be wasted.

  • You believe, no matter how important the other things you have going on are, that this is essential for the sake of your heart.

  • You believe that what God is doing in you is more important than feeling good at a given moment.

  • You believe that ultimate rest is bigger than sleep; rather, it is finding true Sabbath in your accomplished status before God through Jesus.

So, friends, maybe this week you’re wondering if it’s the week to skip. Maybe you’ve got a lot going on. Or maybe the guy leading that environment just isn’t awesome at doing his job. But maybe you should meet together anyway, because the sanctification doesn’t begin and end with what’s discussed in the group. The act of meeting itself has great value.


The Lonely Amber

Aug 20 2017 QBC Chi [Christ and Community] Ro 12:9-13 Loving Body

Sept 10 2017 QBC Eng [Christ and Community] Ro 12:9-13 Loving Body

Date: 10/2008.101


A member of a certain church, who previously had been attending services regularly, stopped going. After a few weeks, the pastor decided to visit him. It was a chilly evening. The pastor found the man at home alone, sitting before a blazing fire.

Guessing the reason for his pastor's visit, the man welcomed him, led him to a big chair near the fireplace and waited. The pastor made himself comfortable but said nothing. In the grave silence, he contemplated the play of the flames around the burning logs.

After some minutes, the pastor took the fire tongs, carefully picked up a brightly burning ember and placed it to one side of the hearth all alone. Then he sat back in his chair, still silent. The host watched all this in quiet fascination.

As the one lone ember's flame diminished, there was a momentary glow and then its fire was no more. Soon it was cold and "dead as a doornail."

Not a word had been spoken since the initial greeting.

Just before the pastor was ready to leave, he picked up the cold, dead ember and placed it back in the middle of the fire. Immediately it began to glow once more with the light and warmth of the burning coals around it.

As the pastor reached the door to leave, his host said, "Thank you so much for your visit and especially for the fiery sermon. I shall be back in church next Sunday."
CHURCH, ATTENDANCE

Throwing Dirt on You

Date: 5/2007.101


Funny Stuff by Clyde Murdock (Humor) P154
A minister asked a man why he didn't come to church.

The man said, "Preacher, the first time I attended church, they dunked me in the water, the second time I attended, you tied me to a wife that I've had ever since."

And the minister said, "And the next time you come, we'll throw dirt on you.
CHURCH, ATTENDANCE

What I Never Eat

Date: 6/2006.101


17 Aug 2008 DCFC English - Heb 11:32-34/ Jud 6-7 - Gideon, 300 the Original
Still More Hot Illustrations for Youth Talks P97
Everybody has a good excuse for not attending church. If you take those excuses and apply them to other things we do (or don't do), like eating, they might look like this list:

1 don't eat any more because...

1) I was forced to ear as a child.

2) People who eat all the time are hypocrites; they aren't really hungry.

3) There are so many different kinds of food. I can't decide what to eat.

4) I used to eat, but I got bored and stopped.

5) I only eat on special occasions, like Christmas and Easter.

6) None of my friends will eat with me.

7) I'll start eating when I get older.

8) I don't really have time to eat.

9) I don't believe that eating does anybody any good. It's just a crutch.

10) Restaurants and grocery stores are only after my money.

Application:

Giving lame excuses for not attending church or not getting involved in ministry is just as silly as giving up eating. Church attendance for Christian is as important as regular, balanced meals. Without spiritual food, we will die (1 Peter 2:2)



CHURCH, ATTITUDE TOWARDS




Me Church

07 Mar 2010 DCFC English Worship – [Building a Community in Christ] Eph 3:1-13 What is the Church called to do?

 

Sermonspice - [Me Church]


CHURCH, ATTITUDE TOWARDS

What Do You Get Out of the Church

Date: 1/2007.101


DCFC Sunday School 2007 - Mark 3
Aug 12 2007 - DCFC English Gen 28:10-22 ~ Rock Piles

May 24 2009 - CCCFC English Gen 28:10-22 ~ Rock Piles


AMG Bible Illustrations Book 2 #198
Have you heard the story of Jim Smith and Ron Jones? Jim went to church one Sunday morning. He heard the organist miss a note and he winced. He saw a teen talking when everyone else was praying. He felt certain the usher was watching to see what he put in the offering plate and it made him boil. Five times, by actual count, he caught the preacher in slip-of-the-tongue mistakes. During the invitation, he slipped out the side door all the while muttering to himself, "What a waste of time!"

Ron went to church also. He heard the pianist play an arrangement of "A mighty Fortress Is Our God," and he was stirred to worship by the majesty of it. A special missions offering was received and he was glad his church was doing what they could for people around the world. He especially appreciated the sermon that Sunday; it really spoke to a need in his life. He thought, as he shook the preacher's hand and left, "How can anyone come here and not feel the presence of the Lord?

Both men were in the same church the same day. Each found what he was looking for. It has been said that churches and banks are much alike in one respect: "What one gets out is, for the most part, dependent upon what one puts in."
CHURCH, ATTITUDE TOWARDS

James Hewitt - Illustrations Unlimited


 

07 Mar 2010 DCFC English Worship – [Building a Community in Christ] Eph 3:1-13 What is the Church called to do?

 

2-4 Apr 2010 ACBC Revival Meeting (Mandarin) – [Growing in Love, Building the Church] Eph 3:1-13 The Calling of the Church



 

THE CHURCH WITHOUT COMMITMENT

Emerson Colaw tells about doing some work with his church’s nonresident membership list. He wrote a letter to one family that had been very active in his church. A letter came back saying, “Mr. Colaw, we now live near a university campus and we go every Sunday to the chapel service there. They have unusually fine music… they have nationally known preachers ever Sunday morning.” And she added a note he didn’t think necessary. “We had not heard such preaching as that before. The children are being taught in church school by seminary students.” And then she ended, “But the best of all there is no membership, no pledging, and no women’s society asking me to work. So if you don’t mind, we’ll just leave our membership at Hyde Park and continue to enjoy what we have here.” No involvement, no bother. No crosses.

CHURCH, ATTACK ON

America, Return to God – Ravi Zacharias

All around us ‘Christmas bashing” has gone on. After all, not everybody believes in it, so why should anyone be wished well on Christmas? The ACLU, ever present to eradicate belief from the public square, lent its oppressive muscle to those who denied any government or state agency the freedom to put up a Christmas tree or children singing Christmas carols in school. That is why in Capital Hill, the lighting of the Christmas tree became known as lighting of the “People’s Tree”. One civil libertarian demand a school in NJ that no Christmas tunes be played because it was not just the words that offended his sensitivities but the melodies as well. One well know talk show host said she would be offended if someone wished her “Merry Christmas” This bigotry has come from our culture of tolerance, which allowed cultural liberals to express their views in public while banishing everyone else’s views to their private chambers. So Happy Holidays rolled in on the heels of Happy Turkey day. Is a day coming when someone will be uncomfortable with saying Good morning, because good is a derivative of God and they would not want to offend an atheist?

There is a venomous and brazen anti-Christian attitude now being wielded in the West. How did this come to be? How did it come about that while so-called Muslim scholars do not hesitate to admit that Islam and democracy are not compatible, a Muslim can still have a democratic right to call his festivals by their names, while Christians cannot? How is it that a Muslim in Canada can get away with demanding Shari’a law be introduced into the Canadian legal code but would scream outrage if a westerner in a Muslim country were to ask to be tried by his own legal system. How is it that while Muslim radicals attacked the US, the Koran is required reading at some academic institutions in the West, though the same institutions will mock the Bible? The issue is bigger than just banning Christmas carols. Something has gone radically wrong.

Remember the words of Martin Niemoller who tried to warn those who remained silent to the Nazi atrocities, “First they came for the communists and I did not speak up because I wasn’t a communist. Then they came for the Jews and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.” Those who wipe out the memory of the Christian faith will find out that the logic of their position may one day lead to someone wiping them out as well and there will be no one left to come to their aide, for there will be no one left with reason to speak of loving those who despise you.

So what is the glimmer of hope? I began this essay while I was in Beijing China, where all over the city I saw banners that said, “Merry Christmas” I spent one morning at the Forbidden city. As I walked through the cold with some friends deep in the inner sanctum of the Forbidden city, I saw a small Starbucks with a sign that said, “Merry Christmas” I stopped and pondered, “How odd it is that in the land of Mao where individuals were humiliated for the sake of the “People” I should see a sign wishing me merry Christmas, while in the land where individual freedom is touted as defining the nation’s reason for being, “the people’s tree” won the day.
CHURCH, ATTACK ON

America, Return to God – James Dobson “How can we win this war?”

Your concern and convictions must be translated into action. As Edmund Burke, the English parliamentarian once said, “All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” Contact your senators and representatives. Write a letter, place a phone call. Register to vote. Do it now. Take part in radio and TV call in programs. Volunteer to teach a class or hold a seminar about marriage and family related issues. Out up lawn signs and distribute bumper stickers proclaiming the sanctity of marriage.

Dr. Corts, former president of the Billy Graham organization told of this story. When he was 16, he and his younger cousins went to visit their grandfather’s farm. They couldn’t wait to get out there and go out into the fields. They wanted to pitch hay and ride on the tractor. It sounded like so much fun. But grandfather was reluctant to let them go. They whined and begged until finally he said to John, “You are the eldest. You can take the kids to the field if you promise not to bring them back early. You must keep them out there until the end of the day.” John said, “I will do that grandpa.” SO they climbed on the hay wagon and the tractor pulled them out to the field. Very quickly, the kids grew tired and started complaining. The work was hot and sticky and they were miserable. They began asking to go back to the house. But John said, “No, grandfather told me to jeep you out here.” By lunch time, they were exhausted. The hay was getting under their shirts and it itched. Everyone wanted to go home. But again John said, “No. Grandfather told me to keep you here.” About 3 o’clock, a large storm gathered overhead. The kids got scared and several were crying. “please,” they begged. “Let us go home!” Still John refused. Finally at about 5, it was time. John loaded all the kids and brought them back. After their baths and meals, grandfather praised them warmly for their work and they felt proud of themselves. That’s when his grandfather said to John, “This farm has been successful through the years for one reason: We have stayed in the field when we felt like coming in. We did what needed to be done, even when we wanted to quit. That is why I wanted the kids to have a satisfying experience of staying with something through the day.”

We are in a very difficult situation now. It is tough. It is hard swimming against the tide of political correctness, the liberal media, the entertainment industry, Congress, the libraries and cultural forces making fun of us. It is not pleasant to be called the religious right, the extremists, fundamentalist right wing crazies. None of us like that. But being ridiculed and marginalized is the price we must pay to defend what we believe. Jesus told us that it would that way. God has called us to stay in the field till the end of the day, and I for one, will do that as long as I have breath in my body.

CHURCH, ATTACK ON

America, Return to God – Thomas Wang

America and the West are showing signs characteristic of pre-exilic Judah. One by one the Western countries are turning away from God. Is America following suit? There are elements working to secularize and paganize America, twisting the meaning of noble and virtuous words:

Tolerance – tolerance of different views including the tolerance of evil, otherwise you are a hate monger

Freedom – free on everything otherwise you are a bigot

Multi literalism – all isms and religions are equal and none could claim as unique

Unity – We will have unity, if you agree with my ideology

Peace – we will have peace when you adopt my lifestyle

Prochoice – In reality it is pro-murder

Love – love is sex and sex is love. One should be free to have sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere and any number, otherwise you are restrictive and archaic

Mozilla Founder


04 Oct 2015 QBC English [7 Churches of Revelation] – Jesus: Judge, Savior & Priest
April 3, 2014,

Brendan Eich, the well-known techie who has gotten swept up in a controversy about his support of California’s anti-gay marriage law Proposition 8, is resigning as CEO of for-profit Mozilla Corporation and also from the board of the nonprofit foundation which wholly owns it.

Mozilla confirmed the change in a blog post.

“Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard and, this past week, we didn’t live up to it. We know why people are hurt and angry, and they are right: it’s because we haven’t stayed true to ourselves,” read the post, in part. “We didn’t act like you’d expect Mozilla to act. We didn’t move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We’re sorry. We must do better.”

In several interviews this week, Eich had insisted that he would not step down from the job he was only recently appointed to, due to the intense backlash over a $1,000 donation he made in 2008 in support of the ballot measure to ban gay marriage.

“So I don’t want to talk about my personal beliefs because I kept them out of Mozilla all these 15 years we’ve been going,” he said to the Guardian, for example, yesterday. “I don’t believe they’re relevant.”

Not so, of course. In an interview this morning, Mozilla Executive Chairwoman Mitchell Baker said that Eich’s ability to lead the company that makes the Firefox Web browser had been badly damaged by the continued scrutiny over the hot-button issue, which had actually been known since 2012 inside the Mozilla community.

“It’s clear that Brendan cannot lead Mozilla in this setting,” said Baker, who added that she would not and could not speak for Eich. “The ability to lead — particularly for the CEO — is fundamental to the role and that is not possible here.”

She said that Eich — who created the JavaScript programming language, among other prominent computing achievements — had not been forced to resign by her or others on its board, which includes prominent Silicon Valley entrepreneur and investor Reid Hoffman.

“I think there has been pressure from all sides, of course, but this is Brendan’s decision,” Baker said. “Given the circumstances, this is not surprising.”

Indeed, those circumstances included vocal protests on Twitter by Mozilla staffers and a call by the OkCupid dating site to not use Firefox.

The controversy has been a difficult one for Mozilla, which could be described as more of a movement than a tech company and which has a very vocal community around it.

It has also resulted in scrutiny of its governance, in which Baker and also Eich — who have worked together for 15 years since founding Mozilla on deeply held beliefs over the development of an open Internet — played a big part.

In addition, three of Mozilla Corporation’s board members — former Mozilla CEO and current Greylock Partners VC John Lilly, former Mozilla CEO Gary Kovacs and well-known tech exec Ellen Siminoff — have recently resigned.

But each of their departures seems to have been only tangentially related to Eich’s appointment — though none of them supported his selection as CEO, according to numerous sources, for other reasons — and not to the controversy over Prop 8.

Baker said that she had not known about Eich’s views on gay marriage throughout most of their working relationship, until the donation came to light last year.

“That was shocking to me, because I never saw any kind of behavior or attitude from him that was not in line with Mozilla’s values of inclusiveness,” she said, noting that there was a long and public community process about what to do about it in which Eich, then CTO, participated. “But I overestimated that experience.”

Baker — who became emotional at one point during the interview — noted that she was “doing a fair amount of self-reflection and I am wondering how did I miss it that this would matter more when he was the CEO.”

Preserving Mozilla’s integrity was paramount, she said, especially since “we are heading into a period of global mass surveillance and the role of those fighting against will be more important than ever.”

She added: “This is hard since Brendan is a founder and has contributed so much here. But making sure others continue to join and support Mozilla’s efforts is even more important.”

Baker said there was not another leading candidate for the CEO role as yet, although Mozilla had been conducting an extensive search using Spencer Stuart before the Eich selection, which also included another internal candidate, Jay Sullivan.

“There are certainly very talented people we have talked to, so we are not at ground zero by any means,” she said. “But we are now in the middle of what is clearly a crisis, and this had to happen.”

A crisis indeed, not helped much by a series of Eich interviews this week, in which he declined to apologize and used what can only be described as pretzel logic about how a clearly tolerant community like Mozilla should also support what many now consider intolerant beliefs.

Eich told the Guardian, for example: “So far we’ve been able to bring people together of diverse beliefs including on things like marriage equality. We couldn’t have done this, we couldn’t have done Firefox One. I would’ve been excluded, someone else would’ve been excluded because of me — I wouldn’t have done that personally, they’d have just left. So imagine a world without Firefox: not good.”

He also dragged in a truly bizarre point about people in Indonesia not liking gays marrying to justify his continued leadership. He noted to the newspaper that LGBT marriage was “not considered universal human rights yet, and maybe they will be, but that’s in the future, right now we’re in a world where we have to be global to have effect.”

(Hey Brendan, does that mean we need to just say bygones about some of the virulent anti-women sentiments and laws in some countries, since it’s a Firefox world after all? No, I did not think so.)

“I think I’m the best person for the job and I’m doing the job,” Eich insisted to the Guardian.

Throughout the interviews, it was not hard to get the sense that Eich really wanted to stick strongly by his views about gay marriage, which run counter to much of the tech industry and, increasingly, the general population in the U.S. For example, he repeatedly declined to answer when asked if he would donate to a similar initiative today.

Instead, he tried to unsuccessfully hedge those sentiments and, perhaps more importantly, did not seem to understand that he might have to pay the inevitable price for having them.

Thus, something had to give — and it did.

When asked about worries that the continuing controversy about Eich would have had broader impact, such as negotiations to renew a longtime lucrative contract with Google — which has been a high-profile supporter of gay rights — Baker said that while making this move aligned with that, it was not a factor in Eich’s departure.

“This is more important than business relationships,” she said.





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