Listening 46
I Iraq, what appears to be a mass grave has been uncovered in the Shiah holly city of Karbala. Reports say police and doctors called to the site have uncovered have uncovered the bodies of men, women and children. The remains are said to date back to the 1991. A restaurant owner in the city Ajed Marshall describe what was found.
Yesterday night, while workers of the Karbala sewage system were rehabilitating sewage in the city, one of the workers told me that they found bags filled with decomposed corpses and bones. Human rights committee came and took the bags.
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And I’m joined now on the line by the BBC’s Krill Lawrence in Baghdad. And Krill, what more can you tell us?
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Only that local government officials have told us that they’re certain these bodies came from the 1991 uprising. After Saddam Hussein’s army was expelled from Kuwait, there was an uprising both in the Shiah south and in the north. And this was put down quite violently. And as many as 30 000 people might have been killed in the repression and the reprisals against Shiahs who had rebelled against Saddam’s government.
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And similar mass graves have been discovered, uncovered elsewhere in Iraq since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
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That’s right, some of them didn’t really need to be discovered. Of course, when these thousands of people were put into graves back in 1991, the survivors, the people in these cites new where it was happening, they heard the bulldozers. And as soon as the regime fell, there was quite a chaotic scramble when people came out to these mass-grave sites and looked for any signs that perhaps their disappeared family member might have been there. There was no real security and people were going through the remains. Human rights lawyers and human rights groups have criticised that there was no security for the crime scene and it’s made it quite complicated to come up with evidence since Saddam Husain’s trial.
Listening 47
Engineers no longer seem to be at the centre of power in the way that they were in Britain a hundred and sixty years ago and the railway pioneer, John Stevenson, founded the still existing Institute of Mechanical Engineers. I asked the president of the Institute, Andrew Wives, about this apparently diminished modern day status of engineers and why it matters to us all.
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You look at the miracles flying in an aeroplane or driving in a modern car. Can you imagine how you can possibly put all that technology into a car that cost twenty thousand pounds. It is incredible. And a modern aeroplane people just taken for granted but it’s a miracle of engineering. It’s not a miracle of anything else, not a miracle of economics or law. It’s a miracle of engineering. And we are surrounded by examples of that that people take no note of whatsoever.
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Except that engineers are now backroom boys called out to fix things or to do projects and then put back in their boxes. They are no longer bestriding the world in the heroic way, resolving maybe unfixable problems such as they were in the nineteenth century when British engineering was in its prime.
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You have touched on something there which, of course, is the public image of engineers. And here we lie in the UK with a very serious problem. The schools in particular do not indicate to their young children what engineering is cause, quite honestly, I don’t think they know. And the media, too, refers to engineers very often as being the people who come to fix your washing machine or your plumbing. And that is just not what engineers do at all. Engineers are visionary. They’re creative and they drive things forward in a way which the person who comes to fix your washing machine is merely a mechanic.
Andrew Wives, president of Institute of Mechanical Engineers. Well, if there are now more students signing up to study engineering, may be more women will too. Janie Goodman is studying for an engineering science doctorate of Oxford. She wants to specialise in renewable energy technology, but she’s already made a name for herself driving an extraordinary petrol driven vehicle, so economic it’s almost like driving on thin air.
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I drive a car that is capable of doing six thousand six hundred and three miles per gallon.
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That’s not possible.
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Well, I should start by saying it’s not roadworthy. We drive it in a competition, and we actually drive it for ten miles, and they extrapolate that into how many miles per gallon it could therefore do. However, it is perfectly possible, and we’re not actually using any massively innovative technology, and it’s designed and it’s build on a shoestring.
Jamie Goodman, a student engineer with an eye on huge fuel efficiencies to change the way we move about in the future. By her presence in Oxford she’s also addressing another big problem – the vast gender gap still evident in the engineering profession.
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In my lab, we have got about thirty of us in all, and there are currently two female engineers.
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That says something about women and engineering, doesn’t it?
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It certainly does. I mean at the moment we’re still hovering around the twelve percent mark taking engineering degrees. And unfortunately, by the time you get into industry that reduces quite a lot.
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Why?
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There really is no reason why women can’t go into engineering, and they’re trying desperately to get more and more of us to do it. I think it’s actually partly because women in a way don’t always want to do an engineering job because of our nature. We’re interested in helping other people, and sometimes that doesn’t come through that that’s what an engineer does.
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I shall put this rather delicately, but there’s nothing about a woman’s mind that makes her less able to be precise and systematic enough, and imaginative enough to be an engineer, is there?
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There certainly isn’t as far as I understand it. I’m told that often engineering girls make the best engineers. The way we think is often very systematic, and we are often much more detailed, which is what you need in engineering.
Jamie Goodman, engineer.
Part 4
Listening 48
Gentlemen! On behalf of the central training units, I would like to welcome you to the Alpha training centre. I hope you find your accommodation satisfactory and you were able to have a good night’s sleep. Now, the reason that you’re all gathered here in this hall this morning is so that I can give you a short briefing before we begin this training programme which we have decided to call Exercise Clouds and Rain. Now, as you know, the purpose of Exercise Clouds and Rain is to prepare you and your unit for deployment oversees. First, I have to tell you that we have the great honour of receiving advice and guidance from the United Nations’ Training and Advisory Team know as UNTAT. That’s
U-N-T-A-T. UNTAT, as you probably know, is under the direction of HQ land command. In the course of the many years they’ve been in operation, the team have prepared more than 30 000 regulars, reservists, and members of the territorial army for potential missions abroad. So, as you can see, they are very experienced and, no doubt, very proficient in their field. While the exercise lasts they will do their best to give you their valued and much appreciated advice. Now, the fist thing that you have to know – and this is very important, so please listen carefully – is that you will be split into two groups for this training exercise. And those groups depend on which company you’re in. You do know which company you’re in, don’t you? So, the first group, made up of officers from Company A and Company B, will be called Thunder. Now the Thunder group will be paired to operate in general peace support operations. And the second group, made up of officers form Company C and Company D, will be called Lightening. Now, the Lightening group will be specially prepared to operate in Kosovo. Is that clear? Good. I’ll continue. The main differences between the training packages for the two groups is that the Thunder group, that is those being trained for general peace support operations, will concentrate on interaction with civilians, particularly negotiation skills. Whereas the second group, Lightning group, will concentrate on personal safety and protection, things like mine awareness and how to deal with booby traps. Now. Let me deal with some practical issues. This, of course, as you know, is a 5-day course. Each day will start at 07.00 hours, and training will continue until 19.00 hours. Oh, except for day three, when there will be night training. On that day training will start at 19.00 hours and continue until 03.00 hours, Thursday morning. All meals will be taken in the unit’s canteen which is where you had breakfast this morning. Oh, yes! As there will be two groups, there will be two separate places for training. The Thunder group will have most of the classroom part of their course here in this hall. Lightening will receive their classroom part in room G in sector A of the ground hall. That’s room G in sector A of the ground hall. Now. Let me go through the programme for the two groups. Let’s begin with day one. Day one, which is, of course, today, everyone will stay together here in this hall and everyone will be given a general introduction to peace support operations. Lieutenant Colonel Brewer, based in Heidelberg, will be in charge of those briefings. For the rest of the course, days two to five, you will be split into your two groups, Thunder and Lightening. On day two and three, Thunder will learn how to interact with peaceful civilians, learning how to give them confidence and reassurance. The group will take part in scenarios where civilians may come to you to report incidents or handing weapons. Things such as this. On these days, Lightening will learn how to recognize and deal with the various types of mines that they may come across. On days four and five Thunder will learn how to deal with hostile civilians. They will take part in scenarios which will involve demonstrations and riots. During these same days, four and five, Lightening will concentrate on carrying out house searches – a very important thing to learn how to do correctly, as unfriendly forces can set lots of different types of booby traps in houses. So, that’s the programme. Now, I must tell you one thing before we begin this exercise. This exercise has been created at great expense. A lot of time, money and effort has gone into providing this training opportunity for you. You must make the most of it by giving it your full attention. I will not tolerate any indiscipline during this exercise. Any one not taking this training seriously will be thrown off the course immediately. And a report of your behavior will be sent to your commanding officer. Well, that seems to be all. I hope you enjoy this training and make the best use of it. There will now be a short recess of 20 minutes, after which Lieutenant Colonel Brewer will begin his general introduction to peace support operations.
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