Kirkwood History Project
Interview of Maebelle Reeves (1) and Shannon Ruff (2)
Interview number: KHP12
Transcription date: June 8, 2004
Transcribed by: AB
Interviewer 1 So what was Kirkwood like downtown?
Interviewee 1 Well, this was-that was the downtown right there. They didn’t have (inaudible) back then. It was kind of like a wooded area. And so that’s it. Because College Avenue hadn’t changed to Bill, that’s it. Same time as ever. Just went up into the Howard Street to get ice. There was a (inaudible word) ice place.
Interviewer 2 And that was at College and Howard?
Interviewee 1 Yes, you know where the Victorian—
Interviewer 2 House.
Interviewee 1 The building is still there.
Interviewer 2 Yeah, the brick building.
Interviewee 1 Yeah, the same building.
Interviewer 2 But now where there’s a hatchery in there at some point?
Interviewee 1 Mm-hmm.
Interviewee 2 Mm-hmm.
Interviewer 2 And they sold chickens?
Interviewee 1 That’s right.
Interviewer 2 The baby chicks.
Interviewer 3 The baby chickens.
Interviewer 2 Did they do mail order, do you know?
Interviewee 1 Huh?
Interviewer 2 Do you know if they did mail order or they were sold just locally?
Interviewee 1 Well a few would go up there and get him some. Like the Bear Nowly brothers, they would go up and get some of those chickens and they would raise them in the backyard because the fence. Between East Lake and Memorial Drive. They called it Memorial Drive. That was wooded area and everybody in the backyard would sow there and there was a little row right between there. Grew their own chickens in the backyard.
Interviewer 2 Now when I moved to Kirkwood in the early 1980s, there was a least one rooster around because I’d hear it crow.
Interviewee 1 Yeah, well the fairly nice now, the Walker family on the corner of, Clayton at that point was facing that way to the Marta station. There was a drug store called the Redden’s Drugstore and now on the next corner down there was…Gasoline Al. That was a filling station. And the folks that lived in there. They’d saved all their pennies, their pennies, and this is the fact, they built their house on Glenwood between the jailhouse and Compton highway. They built on pennies. They saved all those years and built their house.
Interviewer 2 And now people just let them lay there.
Interviewer 1 I have a question. So the downtown business district for Kirkwood used to be like right around College Avenue?
Interviewee 1 Yeah, that’s right were it was.
Interviewer 1 When did it move? Do we consider now, even though we don’t technically call it that, but our business district now is more on Hosea now? When did it make the transition? Do you recall?
Interviewee 1 The business?
Interviewer 3 Yes, from College to---
Interviewee 1 About the same time.
Interviewee 2 But this was later.
Interviewer 3 Yeah, but do you remember when the theater was down there?
Where?
Interviewer 3 Hosea. This round building up here on Hosea. Wasn’t that a movie house at one time?
Interviewee 1 No.
Interviewee 2 On Boulevard.
Interviewer 3 On Boulevard, right up the street there.
Interviewee 1 Yeah, there wasn’t any business put just right where that it, right in there.
Interviewer 1 Okay.
Interviewee 1 Wasn’t that spring. There. Because of the (inaudible) school, I remember about right at that house there was a white lady, she went to Marian High School but she lived on Pepper Avenue. And she walked that to Marian High School. That’s what she said.
Interviewer 3 That was a long walk.
Interviewer 1 That is a long way.
Interviewee 2 I can believe that. Because my mom used to tell me how long it took her-how far they’d walk, sometimes it would be five miles to get to school.
Interviewer 3 We only did a mile. You know compared to the other you will.
Interviewee 1 Kirkwood was big in the business, business. It has increased right where it is now. Just right like in that area. It stopped where the telephone poles, on this side was Mars Nathan was and there was a drug store, a restaurant, all those things. Back in those years.
Interviewer 3 Sure, those buildings are still there. Where the laundry mat is?
Interviewee 2 Yeah, they are still there.
Interviewer 3 Okay, okay.
Interviewee 1 They’s always been right there.
Interviewer 3 Exactly, I know exactly where. Uh-huh.
All right. Was Kirkwood a community where basically everyone got along? I mean was is it---?
Interviewee 1 Yes, at that present time nobody didn’t have any problems. If somebody got ill, they went to see them. You would get all the help that was there to do it. Now the family I worked for, the Scott family. He was a teacher at Banquet Church neighbor turn his bed. Over there by the foundation where it is now. And they didn’t come to see that church until 1939 when they built the (inaudible). Because the wartime like to come back to the end. And everybody who was praying, like going around the circle named and called Kings Highway back up there between the church.
Interviewer 2 What effect did the war have on Kirkwood?
Interviewee 1 Well, I don’t know that part about it. (Long pause) Which war are you talking about?
Interviewer 2 The Second World War.
Well it was sort of bad.
Interviewer 2 I assume that a lot of the young men went off to war?
Interviewee 1 Yeah.
Interviewer 2 And the family’s---
I had two brothers, one came back, one didn’t. So it’s today, is the day my brother was killed. Today. In World War Two.
Interviewer 4 How big was Kirkwood?
Interviewee 1 What?
Interviewer 4 How big was Kirkwood?
Interviewee 1 I don’t know. It was just a small kind of place. And it kind of mingled together. At that time Decatur and Oak combined together. Because it was kind of in a section in the farm. Because one family, two families that used to be in charge of Decatur.
Interviewer 2 What do you usually think of as the boundaries of Kirkwood?
Interviewee 1 Well, it seemed like it changed from my memory of course. I-it ain’t the same. There’s a lot of difference.
Interviewer 1 Do you know the names of the families that basically controlled Decatur, or Kirkwood?
Interviewee 1 Yep, okay.
Interviewer 3 We are going to give your grandmother a rest for a minute.
Interviewer 1 How did you-you graduated from Kirkwood?
Interviewee 2 Nuh-uh. I moved away from here is 1977. I was a little girl and I came back in 1996.
Interviewer 3 Oh okay, so what were the changes that you noticed when you came back?
Interviewee 2 Well, Kirkwood Elementary is now the lofts that they have. I went to that elementary school.
Interviewer 3 Did you really?
Interviewee 2 Then the library used to be right across the street from the house that had a big controversy about it. They wanted to change because it was a historically building and now the library is moved up to now on Hosea. But I remember that being the library.
Interviewer 3 Did you go in that library when it was there?
Interviewee 2 Mm-hmm.
Interviewer 3 What was-I have never gone it there.
Interviewee 2 It was a very small community library, you know versus your downtown and your Decatur one. It was just one where you would find a lot of your Kirkwood…neighbors at that would go in and just read the books and…
Interviewer 3 More intimate then just going downtown.
Interviewer 1 So is that where you go into the Dewey decimal system?
Interviewer 3 Oh god, I remember that.
Interviewee 2 Right. I went to Kirkwood---
Interviewer 3 There would be this relationship. Because you had the little catalog boxes and you touched the cards, it was much, much happier.
Interviewer 1 Then it is today.
2 Right, that’s was true you had to learn how to do a--- (someone is laughing in background, may be grandmother)
Interviewer 1 People freak out when you ask them, oh god.
Interviewer 2 Well how do you feel that your former grade school is now a condominium? How did---?
Interviewee 2 I was shocked. (Everyone laughs)
Interviewer 2 But do you know that building also has some other history. The “Service boys”, part of it was filmed there. Did you know that?
Interviewee 2 Nuh-uh.
Interviewer 1 Because this is really exciting at night, I wasn’t an extra but we’d go down and to see the old cars that you on movies shinning like new and they were just parked in the area. It was really nice when they were doing the filming.
Interviewer 2 What I found interesting was that someone of certainly appeared shining and new but there were some that appeared to be on the road for quite a few years and where run down and it was just the social structure reflected in the cars they drove. I found that interesting.
Interviewee 1 you see there was a grocery store next- what was a grocery store next to the fire department in Kirkwood.
Interviewer 1 You mean where the car wash is now?
Interviewee 1 Yes.
Interviewer 3 Really, is that right?
Interviewee 1 You know the owners you know they had a store downtown. They had one there. They moved in I think 1969. Kirkwood was there across the street. The red building there was the (inaudible) store. Where they put a Chinese store in now.
Interviewer 1 Yes, madam.
Interviewee 1 Then we were talking about a lady walked even to the school, family. The Rosenbergs. That was their grocery-that was their store, variety store. Everything was in that store.
Interviewer 1 How about that.
Interviewee 1 Because she said she worked in their for a while. And then she moved out over on College Avenue. Where she would come to work there. That was her husband, Mr. Rosenberg. He worked, I think it the scrub. And so he was still going on there when I started to work for her in 1971. Because the (inaudible) you know upstairs and so they sold it.
Interviewer 1 Because I think that---
Interviewee 1 The Rosenberg family.
Interviewer 3 They have an apartment up there now, don’t they? Isn’t that a loft too, over the store?
Interviewee 1 And they opened a filling station on that side.
Interviewer 3 I think they have apartments over there now too in that store. Well Shannon, when you were growing up here. How different is it now-how different is it now, do you think of the kids growing up here now compared to when you were growing up here then? Does that make sense?
Interviewee 2 When I was growing up there was a lot more respect to your elderies and to your neighbors and to your teachers overall. And versus now in the little area that we live in around the Hillcrest and First Avenue it’s just a tremendous change, just in that area. And there are a few other little spots that have changed but for the most part. I mean Kirkwood is truly developed. I mean it’s just amazing how they’ve taken the old houses and restored them. Left a strong foundation and just built them and made them a little bit more modern.
Interviewer 3 How does that make you feel, when you see that, I mean---?
Interviewee 2 I mean, it’s good because there’s a little bit of diversity. A little bit of your older homes and your newer ones. It’s differently become a more diverse environment and not just predominately all African-American living in the community. For the most part I think it’s a good thing, it just shows that Atlanta is just growing and between the Kirkwood and the East Atlanta it’s just definitely revising 100% versus ten years ago it was just a lot of red clay. Trees, and now it’s houses were there used to be trees. It’s like wow.
Interviewer 1 I’ll make you feel houses where there used to be trees.
Interviewee 1 Yeah, that the way I feel now, that house was built in the 1970s and they lived next door or the Hall family. The whole group of things back there and then to resale and they build them houses. A family project and it was a wooded areas and it was built in 1924. So that was-she said my house was built in 1924 so we had no problem with it back them. Somebody come and give you (inaudible). Especially none mistakes, you know did I do what I need to do. But everybody wanted to do their own business since. But you know. Not yet.
Interviewer 1 So you were the first owner of your house? Are you the first family that lived in your house?
Interviewee 1 No.
Interviewer 1 You are not?
Interviewee 1 There was another family. I can’t recall. Over 50 years have gone and went through.
Interviewer 3 So you are basically the second person that lived in the house?
Interviewer 1 I find that interesting because the stability there. You see the house that I live in, I am the second person to own it.
Interviewer 3 Really? Oh wow. I think mine has had several, because my house. I live down the street from the library.
Interviewee 2 Yeah. Do you remember where exit, or right around there---
Interviewer 3 Next to Mr. Jordan’s. Right on the corner of Kirkwood and Dunwoody Street, Mr. Jordan. Do you know him?
Interviewee 2 Well I call him KC because we used to worked next door to one another. And the Hall girl that lives down there, we went to school called Louise Halley Boarding.
Interviewer 1 I don’t know that.
Interviewer 3 I guess there are more neighbors to meet then, huh?
Interviewee 1 Yes.
Interviewer 3 Oh, I better find them.
Interviewee 1 And then you know up there at the third house, you know coming back from Kirkwood Road.
Interviewer 3 From Norwood Street or from Bates?
Interviewee 1 From Norwood. (Inaudible few words)
Interviewer 3 Yes I---
Interviewee 1 You know who it is?
Interviewer 3 Yes ma'am, but I can’t think of a name. I can’t think of the man’s name. I know of somebody different over there. I’ll think of it, okay?
Interviewer 1 I wanted to ask Shannon, when you think about Kirkwood what do you think about? What do you feel-what are the vibes that you feel about Kirkwood? I mean like you get high energy, you get low energy? Is it exciting, is it alive?
Interviewee 2 Well before I moved back here, it was a such thing that just through mutual acquaintances like, “You live in Kirkwood?” It was just really like a bad thing, versus now it’s like, “Wow, you really live over there. I am trying to get property.” You know, so it makes me feel in a way, it’s like a highness because people value the property that my grandmother now owns. Because people would not literally verbatim kill to get it. But there is just so much that they would want to do with it and it kind of makes me feel good to be a part of an area that is revising and that is becoming a lot more noticeable for the positive versus the negative years. Maybe I’d say 10, 15 years ago.
Interviewer 1 Okay, I think what I really want is like okay, comparing back to the 1970s, the sounds, the rhythm of the neighborhood. I mean do you like those rhythms, do you like the rhythm? Is it like---?
Interviewee 2 I think I liked it back in the 1970s then I do now. It’s, now it can be, again it can be a little bit too noisy, it’s the noise level has definitely increase because I remember as a little girl, Mrs. Smith, Mr. and Mrs. Smith that used to live two doors down used to have chickens and roosters and they used to crow. The rooster would crow right before dawn. Mr. Smith’s crow. And he just sit up on the fence and he would crow. It was a lot, it was very, very quiet versus now, and again I could only speak in the area that I am in because Kirkwood as far as I would see it was maybe, I can’t think of the name of the street, because I went to a little day care center up there. I think it was Ralph’s-what’s it called grandmamma? I think it was Ralph’s Daycare, or something, I can’t remember. It was a daycare up in Kirkwood.
Interviewer 1 Over here on Big Street? Right around the corner, over here on Big Street?
Interviewee 2 No, it was actually---
Interviewee 1 Snow White.
Interviewee 2 Yeah, Snow White, yeah Snow White Daycare. That was the theme of it. It was, wow it’s been a while. I cannot remember the name of the street.
Interviewer 1 Can I ask another question? Street, porch and front yard socializing. I mean, has that always, is that a Southern or is that something that was always part of Kirkwood. People don’t sit-I mean, is it always that they socialize in front of their house or was that something that changed?
Interviewee 2 Oh yeah always the front.
Interviewer 1 Really?
Interviewee 2 Always the front. Because as a little girl when I played I always played on the front porch versus the backyard of back porch. When you went to your neighbors to play it was either in the front yard or the front porch. And then the grandparents or parents would just sit outside on the porch.
Interviewer 3 To see the kids, to see what they were getting into. Count heads. We would, when we were in Michigan, when we played out front too and go to the door and you would literally count the heads of the children that were there and if there was a head not there you went and found that kid. That’s the way, you know, protected the children.
Interviewer 1 (Inaudible) Michigan.
Interviewer 4 It was the same when I was a kid. You could keep your doors open and do that. I know it’s hard to do that now.
Interviewee 2 You could, yeah, a few times you could and there were times that you couldn’t. Now a days you just can’t. But yeah, I remember that, you could go to bed and leave your little front door open and screen locked, yeah.
Interviewer 3 Did you all go to the park a lot when you played up there when you were youngsters?
Interviewee 2 Betsy?
Interviewer 3 Uh-huh.
Interviewee 2 I did, I would ride my bike and go there and play or I would ride my bike now…um, what’s the name, not Delaine…Rocky Ford. I road my bike a lot down Rocky Ford. I played a lot in Betsy, Betsy Park, a whole lot. Just was no problem to pick up and walk and go there and play on the swings. Because I would walk from my grandma’s house to Kirkwood Elementary.
Interviewer 2 How do you feel that the use of that park has changed?
Interviewee 2 I think it’s---
Interviewer 2 When you were a child?
Interviewee 2 I think it’s for the good. I mean it’s, my only thing that’s new there is the basketball, the basketball and the tennis court.
Interviewer 2 Well, there is a new building too.
Interviewee 2 Well the building was there when I was a little, when I was going there. The building was there, I just never really went into the building but the building was there in the 1970s. And as far as the swings, they may have just updated and painted them but that’s still the same swings.
Interviewer 3 No they didn’t, no they didn’t. (Everyone laughing)
Interviewee 2 They’re still the same swings then. Slide.
Interviewer 1 What is your fondest memory of Kirkwood?
Interviewee 2 I really don’t know if I have one. If I have a fond memory. I just, my thing was when I was a little girl, I just go outside and just play in the red clay and dirt and make my mud pies and ride my bike and roller-skate and that was it. Because again I moved away in 1977 so I would just come back every year and spend the summer with my grandparents.
Interviewer 1 That’s nice. That’s real nice.
Interviewee 1 Of all these they built it, it was the 1940s. Back in the 1920s, it was the (inaudible) years. I could name all the houses and who lived there. There was a business part, it was back then from College Avenue to the Marta station. From that end to the telephone. There was a (inaudible) and Redden’s Drugstore and this restaurant and a laundry mat. There was, you know, back then dry cleaning was called DeMike’s Dry-cleaning. And at that time they dry cleaned clothes-you better not do it now, wash the clothes and put it in gasoline.
Interviewer 3 Oh.
Interviewee 1 You take them to then to Marl’s (inaudible). You know right where the drugstore is at, you come down that hill there, where the telephone building. Right at that little alley, that was (inaudible) the dry cleaning place was close.
Interviewee 2 In the 1970s?
Interviewee 1 In the (inaudible, few words).
Interviewer 2 What was the day, the time element that you are referring to?
Interviewee 1 This was in the 1920s.
Interviewer 2 you mentioned the laundry was that a---
Interviewee 1 Yeah, that was the laundry place.
Interviewer 2 And they did the laundry on the premise?
Interviewee 1 Yes. It was on the premise.
Interviewer 2 I visited a former laundry building downtown not too long ago and it was quite interesting. I didn’t realize the fact that so many people used the laundry rather then doing it at home. They would send the laundry out and it would be done and sent back.
Interviewee 1 Yeah, why a lot of people did it, the theory would take it home because the lady that did they laundry, she lived down in Scottsdale. And she would come every week with the big old basket and trying to-be the same stuff to pick cotton with. The laundry, she’d take and would come on every Tuesday and bring it back on a Saturday. She did do the laundry at that time. This lady took it to Scottsdale. I mean the lady would did the laundry lived in Scottsdale. She would bring a big old laundry basket like this that take two people to carry. (Inaudible) she’d pick it up on Tuesday and she’d bring home, wash it, bring it back on Saturday. Take all the laundry, take it back up.
Interviewer 4 It’s smell like gas though.
Interviewee 1 What?
Interviewer 4 It’d smell like gas though, wouldn’t it?
Interviewee 1 No.
Interviewer 4 I thought they did that.
Interviewee 1 No, the men suit they were washed over at Mr. Scotts and they were there a year. He traveled and sell (inaudible) flowers. He would sell them for that. And when he comes home and already that was it. She don’t have time and (inaudible) to do it. They take it to the Marlen’s Dry Cleaning where they’d wash it with gasoline.
Interviewer 1 Things have really changed.
Interviewer 2 Yeah, this have really changed.
Interviewee 1 It the same way, if you had the meter at your house you paid 25 cents to use the meter. And this is in Kirkwood either.
Interviewer 1 Was Hillcrest always called Hillcrest?
Interviewee 1 Yeah.
Interviewer 1 The street with the light, was always Hillcrest? And Sisin was always Sisin and just that little area just became Hillcrest?
Interviewee 1 Along there in that part. Going on down there to King Highway in Decatur. I am talking about the (inaudible) where the Kings place is. Over by Kings Highway used to go and circle that way.
Interviewer 3 That’s sounds interesting. I would have never imagined how the name just changed that like and it’s the same street.
Interviewer 1 that is interesting.
Interviewee 1 Yes, it was just like that. They’d take the stuff, take it back, wash it. But the mayor as I said, I don’t know what they do to gas it.
Interviewer 3 Yes Ma’am.
Interviewee 1 It sure would. It was the gas that you put in your car. A gallon of gas would wash a whole man’s suit. Hang it up, let it get dry, steam press it. There you go.
Interviewer 3 There you go (laughs).
Interviewee 1 And Kirkwood, like I said, the gas meters. You had a quarter. So everybody tried to keep a quarter. Sometime you might have to run to you neighbor if you were’s cooking, everybody tried to keep a quarter. Sometimes I know, Mrs. (inaudible), she would be cooking her dinner. She’d give out a quarter and we’d have to run, up First Avenue, up to East Lake. There where the telephone is, to get a quarter. She would run out of a quarter.
Interviewer 3 About how long could you cook with that amount of gas? How long, do you remember?
Interviewee 1 I don’t know. No. I know if had to be that, and during the (inaudible) of the gas line to natural gas it came all the way from Louisiana. And mens used to have to dig that trench from Louisiana to Georgia. To get natural gas.
Interviewer 2 Electricity was always in Kirkwood as long as you remember? And telephone?
Interviewee 1 yes, they had that…kind of mellow lab where it was a hanging electricity. Where you paid for a little mellow lamplight.
Interviewer 2 Was that kerosene lamp?
Interviewee 1 No.
Interviewer 2 Or was it electricity?
Interviewee 1 It was something I guess burning like that. It was kind of like a candle.
Interviewer 2 Was that a gaslight?
Interviewee 1 Yes. And it would burn in there like candles.
Interviewer 1 Well, that’s wonderful.
Interviewer 2 How about the telephone?
Interviewee 1 Telephone. They had the old basic kind of telephone that had the crank. (All laughing)
Interviewer 2 Well, did most houses have one or did you often-people would go to their neighbor to use the phone?
Interviewee 1 Well, most of them that lived on Third Avenue I would say they had their own because they were doing business over there building in Decatur. So this was one of those and everybody over from Saturday and Friday they would try to get the change or the money so they have go to the theater. No, a quarter last about a week.
Interviewer 1 Oh, that’s (inaudible few words).
Interviewer 3 Just a well of information.
Interviewer 2 Oh this is fantastic.
Interviewer 3 Just unbelievable.
Interviewer 2 Yes.
Interviewee 1 So we had---
Interviewer 2 Can we come a visit and get more stories?
Interviewer 1 Mrs. Reeves, this is Jan and Michael and this is Mrs. Reeves.
2 I’m Shannon.
Interviewer 1 That’s Shannon.
Interviewee 2 I am fine.
Interviewer 5 I know Rick.
Interviewee 1 It was fun to watch how much change that would occur in the Kirkwood area. Because you used to ride in a train up to that would become Augusta. And this is all because of what becomes in Georgia. They went and built the railroad tracks. To Augusta.
Interviewer 1 Wonderful.
Interviewer 5 Trains from downtown Atlanta?
Interviewee 1 Yeah, (inaudible few words).
Interviewer 3 trying to do I guess the light wheel, huh?
Interviewer 1 Trying to do it now, and the light rail system in Kirkwood.
Interviewer 2 Well this had just been fabulous information and the thing that I enjoy so much is the two generations which have both said how much you enjoy-I mean you remember growing up and you found it very enjoyable. Shannon found it very enjoyable and even though I am here in Kirkwood at a totally different time, even with a lot of the things still going on I still find it very enjoyable.
Interviewee 1 Not to cut you off. But this is the point I’d never dream that one day I would be in this neighborhood and married and it seemed at that time, Kirkwood, when I was a child growing up but I live in but she is here as a witness to what I am saying. What happened and how much changed had come about.
Interviewer 1 This is great history.
Interviewee 1 Yeah, and the differences in the churches and everything. There weren’t all that many churches at that time in Kirkwood because the big church which was called the Kirkwood Baptist church. It was a wooden church. It looked like it would have fallen down. Sometimes and I would have to come up that way to come to East Lake and come over there to stay somewhere. Now where was that church at, the Kirkwood Baptist?
Interviewer 5 The First Street.
Interviewee 1 Right there were’s them at, that building that used church that was right on the same corner. It didn’t change.
Interviewer 3 Now which corner is this, Mrs. Reeves?
Interviewee 1 Kirkwood Church, Old Kirkwood Baptist Church.
Interviewer 3 Oh, okay.
Interviewer 1 Right there on First.
Interviewee 1 Now I am not taking about Banquet. I am talking about Old Kirkwood Baptist Church.
Interviewer 1 Oh I know where it is yeah.
Interviewer 4 Past the train station.
Interviewer 1 I know where it is.
Interviewer 4 Just past the train station?
Interviewee 1 Yes. Going on down there, there was a wooden church. There was many times like it’d rain and like it would stall down.
Interviewer 4 Are you speaking about over on College Avenue.
Interviewee 1 (Inaudible)
Interviewer 4 College? The big church there that now is brick?
Interviewer 1 That’s the one.
Interviewee 1 Mm-hmm. Off of Mick.
Interviewer 2 Wasn’t there a Presbyterian Church on Howard Street for a while?
Interviewee 1 I am trying to see where.
Interviewer 2 I’d heard that there had been a Presbyterian Church on Howard.
Interviewee 1 well, if it was it might have been one on-the church that was way up, the old church, where Israel is, the old church on Howard Street. That was it.
Interviewer 2 Well it was my understanding that building doesn’t stand anymore and I was wondering if you knew anything about it’s location?
Interviewee 1 Well that used to be where Boulevard, Israel was there, on that church.
Interviewer 2 Yes.
Interviewee 1 And it first come out and moved over.
Interviewer 2 Yes, but that’s being occupied now by another church group.
Interviewee 1 Mm-hmm, so I don’t know whose in charge of that church. (Inaudible) Church, it came from a Ragdoll Street off of Edgewood Avenue.
Interviewer 1 (Inaudible)
Interviewee 1 You know where the…white historic place is? Right when you turn there. Right there, that church, where the (inaudible) monument would be. Israel came from the off Edgewood and the, where you cross the railroad tracks. Going downtown. Back then you come in there. That was where it was at. And then it moved to that church on Boulevard now next to, across from the (inaudible) monument. Now Israel moved from there to that church and then when they made its next move to where it is now. Because the congregation got scared. (Long pause)
Interviewer 3 Well, now anymore questions. I think this has been quite a well of information that we’ve gathered here. And we are very appreciative of your offering your time to us today and John just came it. Do you have anything like to ask or…contribute to the discussion?
Interviewer 5 I am sure you have already covered a great deal.
Interviewer 3 It’s been a long discussion.
Interviewer 1 Yeah, it’s been long. We’re a little tired.
Interviewer 5 I was curious about just one thing. Where you born in Atlanta or Decatur.
Interviewee 1 I was born in Dekalb County.
Interviewer 5 In Dekalb County. What year was that?
Interviewee 1 1912. (Tape cuts off)
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