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No Jeff, it's the Kiwi sense of humour. I wasn't seriuose.

C'mon are you guys really serious??!!

You all seem to offer doom and gloom scenarios to what Pat and Ali are *actually* doing.
They have made it from the US to Aus without any *real* dramas, and have coped with what has been thrown at them (by whatever means) period.
You have, no doubt, read some of the cruising books they have read and, are indeed offered as recommended reading by any cruising site on the net *and* would you be so bold as to suggest that any of the authors advised that any cruise would be incident free ?

Indeed all the authors probably relayed the little and larger problems that plagued their cruise with frustrating monoteny.

Myself and my wife are also young(ish) and are about to set off on a similar voyage.

We, like Pat and Ali took life by the horns and made it what we wanted, it was hard, 7 days a week for 6 years, but hey, we are there now and in another 18 months you tossers will probably be saying the same about our website.... I hope so...:-)

So to all those who are critical, and indeed I feel like going back thru the thread and hauling you all out, let us see your logs, lay bare the threads of your circumnavigation, those whose words we should hold in the highest esteem.
Hmm somehow I think I am not going to see to many site links following, funny that...........*sigh*........

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Hmm somehow I think I am not going to see to many site links following, funny that...........*sigh*........

Sorry, don't have a site or a link.

Too busy sailing and fixing my boat to write goofy artciles about

Decided to not have a lap-top or e-mail on the boat, trying to get away from that stuff instead of bringing it aboard.

Plenty of sailing logs however and also a circumnavigation or two

Not everybody is waiting for retirement to go cruising...Where did ya get that idea...?:rolleyes:

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CSY Man once whispered in the wind: Sorry, don't have a site or a link. Too busy sailing and fixing my boat to write goofy artciles about my blunders. Is that the future of crusing: Rush from one internet cafe to another just to write about the previous passage, oil-change or dinner..???? :rolleyes: Decided to not have a lap-top or e-mail on the boat, trying to get away from that stuff instead of bringing it aboard. Plenty of sailing logs however and also a circumnavigation or two (As a paid hand) Not everybody is waiting for retirement to go cruising...Where did ya get that idea...?:rolleyes:

Sorry but don't know if a lap or two as a paid hand really counts in comparision to what Pat and Ali are doing.
That being said you have have rounded so you have more miles under your belt than I, presumably.
Roll your eyes all you like but doing a trip as a job and buy a boat and doing *your thing* rate a little differently.
Now I,m not sure CSY if you were/are one of the critics but I think I should dump the thread and go back thru it just to see who are and aren't.
Guess we'll see then... later...

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Sorry but don't know if a lap or two as a paid hand really counts in comparision to what Pat and Ali are doing.

Never claimed that it compared either...In fact I have never mentioed it untill you asked.

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Roll your eyes all you like but doing a trip as a job and buy a boat and doing *your thing* rate a little differently.

Relax man, I have also owned my own sailboats and been full time live aboard and all that..No need to explain the difference.
Not going to splash my entire resume on these here pages just to prove a point..(Not sure which or what point), but I have sailed a few years and also made a living as a yacht captain.

I Certainly respect young folks that wants to break out of the mold and do something entirely different than their fathers or mothers...(I did), but to do it without brains or common sense seems a bit silly....No?

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CSY Man once whispered in the wind: but to do it without brains or common sense seems a bit silly....No?

So you have *obviously* never met Pat or Ali and yet you *assume*....
I guess on your paid trips all was sweet then..... and you are loaded with brains and commom sense...
Hmm common sense dictates if that were the case then you would be doing what Pat and Ali are doing ......
Oh I'm seeing Catch 22 and Dejvu all at once here... time for bed....
Craig

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So you have *obviously* never met Pat or Ali and yet you *assume*....

Well, not really assuming anything, just reading their blog.
To head for various countries without researching visa requirements seems to indicate a lack of common sense.
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guess on your paid trips all was sweet then..... and you are loaded with brains and commom sense...

My paid trips were usually hard work, as in manual labor, can't call 'em sweet.

Not loaded with brains, but try to use common sense.

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Hmm common sense dictates if that were the case then you would be doing what Pat and Ali are doing ......

Not sure of your logic on this one...Perhaps the other way around?

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Oh I'm seeing Catch 22 and Dejvu all at once here...

I don't, but we are all different.

This is getting more interesting every day.

So you say you don't have time nor the will to do a website or keep a laptop or email on your boat, but you take the time to come here everyday to criticise the sites that others, with hard work, created especially for their families and also for us curious or fellow cruisers. Can't really see any logic here, but then again, you tell us.

I have told already that most of the websites are good, some are excelent, but not all them are fun. Pat and Ali's is fun.

I will write here the links of the websites I follow, which I think are good:

Bumfuzzle: www.bumfuzzle.com

Billabong: http://www.neoscape.com/billabong/index.htm

Sail Whisper: http://www.sailwhisper.com/index.html

JASP: http://www.yachtjasp.com/

Hacking family: http://www.hackingfamily.com/

These are all good websites, with young and not so young people, travelling the same destinations (more or less) and providing different kinds of information.

It's great that they take some time to do these websites, sharing experiences, motivating others like me for doing it in the future, and also for some fun reading.

Why don't you do it? Well, I'll just tell you that if everyone who has done something great in their lives was selfish enough not to share it with others, the world would be poorer.

And besides, we younger guys were almost born with internet, so emails and websites are a part of or beings. Maybe this generation clash is showing itself.

:p

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So you say you don't have time nor the will to do a website or keep a laptop or email on your boat, but you take the time to come here everyday to criticise the sites that others, with hard work, created especially for their families and also for us curious or fellow cruisers. Can't really see any logic here, but then again, you tell us.

Yeah, I do spend too much time on the internet.
Right now because the boat is in the yard and I can't sail.

Can't say I have been critiziing the sites of others..?

I have qustioned some of the actions and lack of preparations we are discussing here, but that being said, I take my hat off to anybody that wants to break loose and go sailing.

Can't see any logic..?

Sorry, can't help ya with that one.
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It's great that they take some time to do these websites, sharing experiences, motivating others like me for doing it in the future, and also for some fun reading

Good for you and others who "follow" the travels and adventures of others....I don't.
Prefer instead to put the anchor down and read a good book, but that of course is a personal choice and neither choice is "good" or "bad".

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Why don't you do it? Well, I'll just tell you that if everyone who has done something great in their lives was selfish enough not to share it with others, the world would be poorer.

Perhaps I am selfish, OR I have not done anything great enough to share on the internet?

Enjoy sitting down with good friends and telling stories and having good converstations instead....Again, personal choices...No

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And besides, we younger guys were almost born with internet, so emails and websites are a part of or beings. Maybe this generation clash is showing itself.

Generation clash?

Dunno about that, I was on the internet pretty early on, but find it a bit boring to spend too much time here.

Would rather be sailing however, but have a choice between a divorce or full time cruising....If I was selfish I would be out there in the islands right now and leave a broken family behind.

Hey listen

I just think there are many problems in our world far more important to deal with than two guys that set out like they did.

To me, it's more important to deal with global warming and these weather patterns changes we're seeing (not to mention all the wars that kill so many innocent people) than being worried or even discuss two guys for their actions.

If you think about all those thousands of african kids that will die of hunger before they even get to understand what being alive is, come on, then we know we are previliged people, discussing our hobbies and don't giving a damn about what really matters.

I see to many sh*t everyday while driving or even watching the news that what we're discussing here, although many of you have a point, and even I wouldn't do it like they did, I just feel that it's their problem. If they have problems, they are the ones that will have to deal with them.

As for the concern about the ones that would eventually have to rescue them, well, that's their job, and they will do it whether it's them or you. They'll face the consequences afterwards, if that should be the case.

As I have always said, for me what's important in relation to this is that I have a good time reading their logs, and that they have a great time.

The same applies for the rest of you guys.

Apart from that, I just hope your life takes a positive turn and that you'll reconsider and go sailing again and make a good site for us to follow. Unfortunately I don't have the means to do the same, for now, but it makes me glad that some of those who can just go out and do it. One day it will be my turn!

Mario

in part these reads

Air Sea Rescue Association was first formalised in 1977, and effected it? name change to VOLUNTEER MARINE RESCUE ASSOCIATION QLD. INC. in January of 1990.
Whilst Marine Rescue is not new (Since Man Built Ships), Units were first formalised in 1965 at Point Danger and Mackay, followed shortly by Southport.
This development of Units then continued throughout the State, generally based on perceived needs by local communities. These Volunteer services are provided by people from all walks of life.

Its not their JOB it is a service that they provide to the community

Mario

Is it their job to rescue peole who think that saftey is a joke

Mario

Drowning

97% of all drowning deaths occurred in low and middle-income countries. The Western Pacific and South East Asia regions account for 60% of the mortality and DALYs (disability adjusted life years).

Is this funny

Wow up here guy's. Now one thing this site ain't going to become is a mud slinging site. I have stated that before and I know Gord and the creater of this place ain't going to let it happen either.

Now, LETS ALL calm down here and learn from each other. I for one still have LOTS to learn and I can learn it from everyone that participates here, no matter what their experiance. So instead of arguing, how bout we all add some positive bent towards this thread.

Gord, if you like, please comment on my Post. Am I out of line here???

I once took a look at the US maritime something about boat accidents. It had information accidents in the US and more than 90% of those occurred with small power boats, in fact, just like the one I own! And that's not only due to lack of experience, but to lack of responsability, alcohol, drugs, and others just accidents that can happen to anyone.

As for sailing boats, there were as I recall one or two fatilities, in one whole year, for a country like the US, that is huge.

So, if we have anyone to blame then blame it on the power boats, for which accidents are easier to occur mainly due to high speed.

And keep in mind that they consider heart attacks and that kind of stuff as an accident, when in fact it's not really the same as drowning due to your stupidity or poor decision.

As for the ones whose "job" is to rescue others, I continue to state that it's a job. They do it cause they want to.

I'm a healthcare professional, and I continue to take care of people regardless of their stupidity, even when they don't follow my advices. I try to educate people as well as I can in relaion to my professional field, but I don't turn my back on them just because they live as they want.

That's why I started writing in this forum. I like positive criticism. pat and Ali shouldn't probably started their voyage like they did. They should probably have bought another boat, etc etc.

But they are out there now, so we should give our advices (not mine as i'm even more inexperienced as they were when they started) support and show them that even if they made a mistake, there is always a way to deal with adversities and there is always room to learn.

:)

this is getting good...

where's my pop corn

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To me, it's more important to deal with global warming and these weather patterns changes we're seeing (not to mention all the wars that kill so many innocent people) than being worried or even discuss two guys for their actions.

Excellent, then start a thread on those subjects instead of defending the stupid actions we have been reading about.

As for the rescures just doing their job and it is their duty, etc.

Not so sure.

A volunteer or proffesional rescuer is putting his or her life on line in case of an ACCIDENT, not to rescue people from their own stupidity.

I know, I was an ambulance bush pilot in Alaska and many times I flew out in the snow storms over the tundra with a doctor or nurse to save some people that had a snow-mobile accident in the middle of the night when they were drunk and crazy.

Easily avoided, yet me and my crew put our life on line to save their stupis arses..

Perhaps I am just conservative or old fashioned, but when I go sailing these days, I make sure that all possible preparations are done and complete so I won't have to ask for help, or put somebody else at risk, unless of course it is a real bona-fida emergency.

Guess I am just being considerate.

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Back to Pat & Ali and the log 11 July

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So going back a few days we motored through the night and by morning had come to the Wide Bay bar crossing. It seems to have a pretty notorious reputation around these parts and just a few weeks ago flipped a 42' catamaran over, so we were paying extra attention on this one. As the sun came up we suddenly found that we were just one of about ten boats that were heading for the bar. Apparently there is an anchorage nearby where all the boats had been waiting through the night for the morning flood tide. So everybody basically filed in one after the other, a couple of boats even leaving a sail up while they went through. The bar has one section called the Mad Mile and even though we were going through at the perfect time and with very little swell you could still get a sense of how ugly an area it could be.

My take on this:

They have learnt from Yamba lessons including how the bars operate, as well as respect for local knowledge. Anyone who doesn’t know the bars on the east coast could learn a lot from this passage. Now they have been hanging with local up north with good local knowledge. :)

Paul

Mario, you have to realise that not all rescue organisations around the world, are like that of the USA. Here in NZ, they are voluntary. Sometimes they are people just like you and me, that are close to the scene. And actually, by maritime law, fellow boaties are required to offer assistance to those in truoble.

Mario, you have to realise that not all rescue organisations around the world, are like that of the USA. Here in NZ, they are voluntary. Sometimes they are people just like you and me, that are close to the scene. And actually, by maritime law, fellow boaties are required to offer assistance to those in truoble.

Come on people. You seem not to fully understand all i'm saying.

I agree with you when it comes to safety measures and safe boating above all.

Although I don´t sail offshore I operate my power boat which I realise is very prone to accidents with family and friends, and I always take all the safety measures before and during our rides, for being the owner I am responsible for theirs and my life.

But when it comes to anyone from the other side of the world, that I don't know, never met, doing what P&A did, I just find interesting that they are doing it. I surely can't believe those two are such ignorants as they pretend to be from what they write on their website. They must completely exagerate. Anyway, I like reading their logs, no matter who they are or what they know.

And to me the idea that a sailor/cruiser has to be an artist, a phylosopher or erudite is just nonsense. And from reading some of your posts and not being a sailor but more of an outsider, that's the idea it gives.

And that bothers me... :o