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Political Capital Not KeyThere’s no amount of political capital that can change the GOP Berman et al 6/01/11 ( Russell Berman, Sam Youngman and Molly K. Hooper, staff writers for the Hill, a leading congressional news outlet, Ryan to Obama: 'Leadership should come from the top’, http://thehill.com/homenews/house/164259-ryan-confronts-obama-on-criticism-says-leadership-should-come-from-top, MM) Republicans confronted President Obama at the White House on Wednesday, accusing him of a lack of leadership during the nation’s fiscal crisis. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said he wanted to “clear the air” over the president’s attack on his budget plan. The most dramatic moment of the meeting came when Ryan told Obama he was wrong to characterize Republicans as turning their backs on children and senior citizens, lawmakers said. Ryan told the president, “Leadership should come from the top,” according to Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.), who was there. Ryan also called out the president for his speech at George Washington University in April, during which he castigated the Republican budget in harsh terms while Ryan sat just a few feet away. GOP leaders said Wednesday’s White House meeting, which lasted over an hour, was “frank” and “productive.” Republicans have for weeks complained that Democrats are engaging in a coordinated “Mediscare” campaign to mischaracterize the GOP budget as turning Medicare into a voucher program for seniors. Democrats have doubled down on their critique in the days since their upset victory in a special election in upstate New York, where even Republicans acknowledged the Medicare issue played a role. “As far as Medicare is concerned, we wanted to make sure the president understood the facts about our proposal so he doesn’t continue to mischaracterize it. We just needed to clear the air,” Ryan told reporters at the Capitol. He did not describe his exchange with Obama in detail. King said Ryan stopped short of directly accusing Obama of demagoguing the issue but that he was “politely critical” of the president. “Obviously we disagree. Ours was a good proposal,” King paraphrased the House Budget Committee chairman as saying. “It was wrong to accuse us of turning our backs on autistic children or putting senior citizens out on the street.” Several lawmakers confirmed the tone of Ryan’s comments and said Obama responded by suggesting that both sides had engaged in demagoguery. “I could tell the president was nervous, because when he’s nervous, he talks on and on. Everybody else he gave about a three- or four-minute answer to. To Paul Ryan it was about 20 minutes,” freshman Rep. James Lankford (R-Okla.) said. King said that earlier in the meeting, Obama tried to point out, in a lighthearted way, that Republicans were guilty of mischaracterizing him as well. “He said, ‘As someone who’s a socialist, who wants to have government-run healthcare … and whose birth certificate is being questioned, I can empathize with that,’ ” King said. On the issue of Medicare, the White House offered no rhetorical concessions. Asked if Obama would stop calling the Ryan plan a voucher program, press secretary Jay Carney replied: “What you call it doesn’t change what it is and what it does. It is a voucher plan.” Carney said the criticisms from Obama, who will meet with House Democrats on Wednesday, are not “a matter of demagoguery.” Republicans emerged from the meeting with mixed feelings about what it accomplished. Members of the leadership team and committee chairmen said it was significant that Obama acknowledged that entitlement reforms would be included in a broad agreement to reduce the deficit and lift the debt ceiling — something Republicans have demanded but Democrats have resisted. “The president was pretty clear about that, putting entitlement reform in the debt limit,” Ryan said. GOP Whip Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) said Obama “said there needs to be entitlement reform” and that he wants to find “real cuts now.” Some members of the freshman class, however, voiced more frustration. Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) said he came out of the meeting feeling “we didn’t make any progress.” He suggested the fiscal debate had already devolved into campaign-season politics. “We feel like it’s 2012 right now. We want to actually do something in 2011,” Kinzinger said. One Republican lawmaker, Rep. Jeff Landry (La.), rejected the White House invitation altogether. “I don’t intend to spend my morning being lectured to by a president whose failed policies have put our children and grandchildren in a huge burden of debt,” he said in a statement. The meeting came a day after the House overwhelmingly voted down an unconditional increase in the $14.3 trillion federal debt limit. Vice President Biden is leading bipartisan talks on a deal to authorize more borrowing while making significant spending cuts and structural reforms. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said that he has instructed his members to hold steady on preserving the Bush tax cuts for the middle class and more affluent taxpayers, saying “it’s counterintuitive to believe you’re going to raise taxes on certain entities and individuals you’re expecting to create jobs.” Cantor said the president pushed them on his theme of investment in the future, but Cantor said “to a lot of us that’s code for more Washington spending, and that’s something we can’t afford right now.” Asked later by The Hill if Obama had signaled any willingness to bend on taxes, Cantor laughed before saying, “No.” Other Republicans after the meeting scoffed at Obama, whom they said had mentioned that tax rates were higher during the Reagan era. That claim generated a lot of “eye-rolling” from Republicans, one member said. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) joked that during the meeting, “We learned we had the lowest tax rates in history … lower than Reagan!” Republicans and the White House face an Aug. 2 deadline set by the Treasury Department to reach a deal on raising the debt ceiling. If the ceiling isn’t raised, the U.S. could default, and Treasury has warned of calamitous economic effects. PC not key- Obama not involved in debt ceiling Lightman 6/19/11 (David, reporter specializing in political affairs, Big talks on deficit coming, though politics could slow progress, http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/19/2273796/big-talks-on-deficit-coming-though.html, MM) White House and congressional leaders plan to intensify their efforts this week to reach some agreement on a sweeping budget deficit-cutting proposal by July 1, a plan that most lawmakers insist be part of any agreement to raise the nation's debt ceiling. As many as four days of talks are expected this week among Vice President Joe Biden, Obama administration officials and six key members of Congress, as they look at potentially sweeping cuts and changes in federal spending and revenue-raising. Lawmakers are cautiously optimistic that they'll succeed. What makes the prospects still uncertain, though, is that some of the details - Medicare, other popular domestic programs and taxes - are rife with political peril. "The really tough stuff that's left are the big-ticket items and philosophical big-ticket items. Anything having to do with health care," Biden said after a two-hour meeting Thursday, the group's third session last week. If the debt limit of $14.3 trillion isn't raised by Aug. 2, the government is expected to run out of borrowing authority. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has warned that a failure to raise the limit, last increased in February 2010, could trigger financial chaos. Few expect that deadline to pass without some agreement. "Reasonable people will prevail. They know we can't take it to the brink," said Rep. Nick Rahall of West Virginia, the top Democrat on the House of Representatives Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. They know the stakes are too high. "This is the most important thing happening on Capitol Hill by far," said Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., a leading conservative on the House Appropriations Committee. There have been strong hints that the two parties are seriously seeking compromise. "The debt ceiling talks are a game of chicken. The leadership on neither side wants a crash, but neither wants to show the first sign of compromising," said Steven Smith, the director of the Weidenbaum Center on the Economy, Government, and Public Policy in St. Louis. The most prominent sign of a breakthrough last week involved Senate votes to cut ethanol tax breaks, including one backed by 34 Republicans and another that got 33 GOP votes. Supporters contended the votes were aimed at closing a loophole and saving the government about $5 billion annually. Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., a hard-liner against tax increases, pushed for the change, and dismissed the notion that his plan was a tax hike as "ludicrous." "Tax provisions should be examined on a case-by-case basis, not receive blanket amnesty," he said. Still, Democrats rejoiced. Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, one of the negotiators, called the vote "an important, encouraging step toward reducing the deficit." Negotiators are aiming for at least a tentative agreement by July 1, the day before a long Fourth of July weekend, to give colleagues a month to consider the proposal. They also want to reassure financial markets quickly that they're willing to make the tough choices needed to pare the debt. The budget deficit in fiscal 2012 is expected to reach $1.5 trillion, and over the next 10 years, the government is expected to accumulate about $7 trillion in deficits. Won’t pass and Biden’s leading negotiations- Obama’s capital doesn’t matter Bull 5/23/11 (Alister, writer for Reuters, Biden talks seen as last hope for debt ceiling deal, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43134249/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/biden-talks-seen-last-hope-debt-ceiling-deal/, MM) A deal to lift the U.S. debt limit may hinge on negotiations led by Vice President Joe Biden, which still have a long way to go to close the gap between deeply divided Democrats and Republicans. Biden has increasingly been playing the role of emissary for the White House to Capitol Hill on the budget battle that threatens to lead the United States to the verge of default. Republicans are demanding deep spending cuts in return for raising the $14.3 trillion U.S. borrowing ceiling, which needs to happen by early August. Biden will gather together senior lawmakers from both parties on Tuesday afternoon for a third set of talks to hammer out a compromise on reducing budget deficits. The vice president's group made a better start than most observers had expected when it began to meet this month. But few expect an agreement to come quickly or easily. "It is a virtual certainty that this process will go to the absolute last minute, and then for five minutes longer," said Alex Brill, a research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute who worked in President George W Bush's White House. Attention has shifted to the Biden group after talks among a separate negotiating panel — the "Gang of Six" senators — stalled last week with the departure of Republican Senator Tom Coburn, a fiscal conservative from Oklahoma. PC not key- Biden leading and recesses are in the way PBS News 6/17/11 (leading journalist site, Reid on Biden Deficit Talks: No Vacation, http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2011/06/reid-on-biden-led-debt-deficit-ceiling-talks-no-vacation.html, MM) Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Friday said progress is being made in the deficit reduction and the debt ceiling negotiations led by Vice President Joe Biden, but said congressional recesses are getting in the way. "I have one big complaint, and that is, they shouldn't be taking breaks. They should be meeting every week, multiple times each week. And all these congressional recesses, that should have no bearing," Reid said in an interview with Jim Lehrer, which airs in full on Friday's NewsHour broadcast. "We must reduce our debt. We must increase the debt limit. And there's no vacation during this time. We've got to move forward." Biden’s the chair- Obama’s not touching debt ceiling Depaul and Pianin 11 (Jennifer and Eric, writers for the Washington Post, Biden's Gang of 7: Last Best Hope for a Budget Deal, 5/5/11, http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/05/05/Bidens-Gang-of-7-Last-Best-Hope-for-a-Budget-Deal.aspx, MM) Amid signs of a possible break in the stalemate between the Obama administration and Republicans over federal spending, a newly formed “Gang of Seven” gathered at the Blair House Thursday morning to begin negotiating a framework for a deficit-reduction plan and a solution to raising the debt ceiling. The congressional bipartisan task force created by President Obama is being chaired by Vice President Joe Biden, who has helped negotiate other important deals for the administration. 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