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* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: AAHistoryLovers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3098. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Smitty and Smithy From: Corey Franks . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 9:53:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII HI.. Both Sue and Smitty Docs children told me many times that that was how they
were both addressed. Thats my additon here, THX. Corey F. Tom Hickcox "Smithy" and the son's nickname was "Smitty"?
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> one manuscript was brought to Cornwall Press in the > Nyack, New York area of the Hudson River valley in > February 1939--- Just a quick geographical correction. The Cornwall Press was located in Cornwall, NY located in Orange County, NY. The first edition printings were done there as were several of the 2nd edition printings. The company merged with another and from what I understand, further printings were done in New Jersey. When the galleys were gone over, it was done by Bill W., Hank P., Ruth Hock and Dorothy Snyder who came up to Cornwall to go over them.
to a history of problems, litigation and pending litigation over royalties for Living Sober They had no desire to give AAWS anything. There was a great deal of animosity generated. I remember going over all the drafts for Living Sober which were housed in a friend's apartment in Connecticut. This friend had many of Barry's materials as well as another friend's materials which were left to him (Ron was involved with many of the private recordings of Bill W. and Bill speaking at his anniversaries in NYC - I think close to 200 of them and left them to Dennis when he passed on). I have no idea where these materials might be today (I do have some guesses). Dennis was a collector of AA memorabilia and had a small but amazing collection. There were some great "spook", LSD and vitamin B tapes but as I was only allowed to listen to portions of them, not make copies or take notes, unless they surface again, the material contained in them might be lost. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3100. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Printer''s Copy and Dr. Howard From: jlobdell54 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 8:19:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Given that AA cannot accept gifts from non-members and only gifts of either $1000 or $2000 (I'm not sure which) from members in any given year, it's not clear to me how the Printer's Copy could have been given to AA. Correct me if I am wrong. So far as I know, the Archives are not separately incorporated and must therefore fall under the AAWS restriction, I believe. On the name of the "Chief Psychiatrist of NJ" I suggest Marcus A. Curry, Chief at the NJ State Asylum for the Insane at Greystone Park during the years 1936-40 (from the Greystone Park Annual Reports 1936-40 in the NJ State Archives). -- Jared Lobdell IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3101. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Announcing outside events during AA meetings From: Jim Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 11:38:00 AM
meeting, when we want to have a dance in the same hall? You can do or say whatever you want but just be prepared to deal with the consequences. AA Police #242 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3102. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Announcing outside events during AA meetings From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 1:17:00 PM
are trying to find out if AA members can have diametrically opposed viewpoints and all think they are right, it's a guaranteed certainty.
conscience. Groups are autonomous - but autonomy should not be used as a loophole to get around what the group members consider appropriate in their understanding and practice of the Traditions. Similarly, Alcoholics can decline to announce whatever they want according to their group conscience. Minorities demonstrate unity when they cooperate with the group conscience decisions of the majority.
viewed legalistically as opposed to being looked at as spiritual principles oriented to maintaining group unity.
directly related to AA (e.g. a meetings, service committees, conferences and conventions, etc.).
that it is an AA event. There is no such thing as an AA retreat, an AA golf tournament, or an AA dance although AA members as certainly free to join in such activities. Of course, all the above is only one member's viewpoint. Cheers Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gotogo2002L@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:54 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Announcing outside events during AA meetings
meeting, when we want to have a dance in the same hall? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3103. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Smitty and Smithy From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 12:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Yes Bill W did use the nicknames "Smithy" and "Smitty" to distinguish between father and son. Young Bob was still called "Smitty" up to the
time he passed away. Incidentally, Dr Bob was supposed to have quite a sense of humor for nicknames that he would come up with for others. Among the nicknames he had for Sister Ignatia were "Little Angel AA" and "Ig." He also liked to use jargon which would likely get him in politically incorrect hot water today (i.e. he would refer to women as a "frail").
Arthur
To add to Arthur's list, J. D. H., the founder of the first AA group in Indiana,
says (in his memoirs which he wrote many years later) that when he got sober in Akron and was over at Dr. Bob and Anne's house every day, Dr. Bob always called him "Abercrombie." Glenn C. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3104. . . . . . . . . . . . RE:Announcing outside events during AA meetings From: Mark Everett . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 3:44:00 PM
While I think this issue has a questionable place on a forum on AA History, it has everything to do with our traditions. Tradition 6, short form states, "An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose." Now, if there is a charge for admission, an AA Dance or anything else becomes an Outside Enterprise. If it is offered as free, then it could be argued that it is not much more than an extension of the meeting, though some may hold that it is still a violation of some other traditions. I have also seen occasions where certain outside enterprises have offered "free" AA activities with an underlying purpose of promoting their recovery store, club, hospital or other services. That's called advertising, and we avoid any appearance of promoting that, too. I was taught to make any Related but still Non AA Announcements just prior to the opening of a meeting, therefore these types of announcements are not made at an AA meeting, and not appearing to be endorsed by AA
Mark Everett 517 Cherry Hill Lane Lebanon, Ohio 45036-7608 Phone: (513) 228-0078 Cell: (513) 850-4911 eFax: (267) 851-2083 e-mail: mark@go-concepts.com **************************************************
in 1st printing? From: Mark Everett . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 4:04:00 PM
Boy, I love these types of things. I went looking through my assorted collection of Big Books and found the following from Dr. Bob's Nightmare. First Edition, 9th and 12th printings - 6 years Second Edition, 1st printing - 6 years Third Edition, 1st, 5th and 7th printing - 6 years
Third Edition (soft cover 8th printing - Sept 1988) referencing the 32nd printing (also 1988) - 4 years Fourth Edition, 1st and 8th printing - 4 years Knockoff copy of "Original Manuscript" with notes from Clarence Snyder - 4 years
edition in 1980 and prior to September 1988, decided to do the math, and returned Dr. Bob's story to a logical number of years. This is sort of like the same mystery with "these" and "those" in the 12th step.
Mark
Mark Everett 517 Cherry Hill Lane Lebanon, Ohio 45036-7608 Phone: (513) 228-0078 Cell: (513) 850-4911 eFax: (267) 851-2083 e-mail: mark@go-concepts.com ************************************************** IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3106. . . . . . . . . . . . AAhistory From: Emmanuel John . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 5:11:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Your question is one that I have dealt with a lot in my 21 years. First of all we have our 1st tradition which states that our common welfare should come before all else. Is this good for AA? It goes on to say that the Unity of our members is the primary goal as disunity would tear us apart. The
nay-sayers are probably more of a force for disunity then the event could ever
be. So does the event aid in unity? I personally believe that the founders would have been very supportive of these types of events and announcements. In law there is often the phrase, "the spirit of the law," why it was written. I don't think that the tradition aims at limiting these types of activities
himself" then we could ask what He might consider on this issue, the dance is a good thing despite people who are just down right negative. We're not supposed to have an opinion on outside issues so what one group does is not the other groups business unless if effects AA as a whole. This should then be discussed with their local Intergroup office. Your dance could be considered by some as the way "A loving God" is expressing Itself in your group.
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proceeds if any end up. AA bull roasts/dances are common fundraisers Just like our conventions, gratitude breakfasts' which are also announced in meetings. A group does however have the right to choose to not announce these
types of events by way of a vote. Is it carrying the AA message? Most important of all, can people without money
attend without feeling singled out, or made to feel ashamed because they don't
have money (not so with many of our fundraisers). Admission should be set up in such a way that it is seen as a donation and not an admission/ticket charge. The have nots should be encouraged to attend. Is it an outside enterprise? Well if it's in the same building and using the group name then its not an outside event, if an autonomous group decided to put the dance on then it is an extending activity of the group or a special "lengthened" meeting A major issue is that the monies collected in the basket during the meeting should only go to purposes for which the money was given. A dance is probably not an understood allocation for those having contributed. Now if your meeting has the dance every month and everyone knows that this will be a use for the money then that might be acceptable. I personally belong to a group that puts
on more events then most groups in the area and somehow we give more money to Intergroup, with many other contributor meeting, meeting several times a week, giving less. Finally. I think that we have to consider if this makes the AA way of life more
attractive to the new comer who might think that we are a glum lot. People who
don't like these announcements are usually just not very fun to begin with. Enjoy the dance! Emmanuel Baltimore Message: 4 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:54:03 EST From: Gotogo2002L@aol.com Subject: Announcing outside events during AA meetings Hi All Can alcoholics announce there will be a sober dance following the AA meeting, when we want to have a dance in the same hall?
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++++Message 3107. . . . . . . . . . . . Moderator out of town Fri-Mon Jan 27-30
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 8:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I will be out of town from Friday January 27 to Monday January 30, 2006. Please hold your messages until then. Thanks much! Glenn Chesnut South Bend, Indiana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3108. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: 100 Hundred Men and Women? From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 2:55:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Bill W did like to be "generous" in his numerical estimates. However, the "100 men" part likely derived from a prospectus Hank P put together to offer shares of stock to underwrite the production of the book. The shares were offered at $25 which would be around $325 using the 2003 Consumer Price Index (CPI). The graphic image file I have of the prospectus shows a date of June 1939 on its cover which has the title "Alcoholics Anonymous." The date is likely in error since the prospectus contents announce that the Alcoholic Foundation had recently been formed and that ten chapters of the book had been completed. Hank's story is "The Unbeliever." What eventually came to be called "Works Publishing Co" was originally proposed to be named "The One Hundred Men Corporation" in the prospectus. The proposed title for what became "Alcoholics Anonymous" (the Big Book) was "One Hundred Men." The "and women" part turned out to be Florence R of NY (as Merton noted) whose story is "A Feminine Victory" (Marty M didn't arrive until after the manuscript had been distributed). Florence R, was the first woman in AA and was sober around a year when she wrote her story. She later moved to Washington DC to join up with Fitz M (whose story is "Our Southern Friend") to help start AA there. Sadly, Florence returned to drinking (Fitz M was called to the morgue to identify her). A non-alcoholic wife of an AA member also had her personal story printed in the first edition. She was Marie B whose story is "An Alcoholic's Wife." Her husband was Walter B whose story was "The Backslider." Walter was also the first patient admitted to St Thomas Hospital in Akron when Dr Bob and Sister Ignatia began their collaboration. When Bill W visited Dr Bob in November 1937, they "compared notes." 40 cases were sober (more than 20 for over a year). All were once diagnosed as hopeless. In a meeting at T Henry Williams' home, Bill's ideas, for a book, hospitals and how to expand the movement with paid missionaries, narrowly passed by 2 votes among 18 members. The NY group was more enthusiastic. This is what led to the start of the writing of the Big Book. Between November 1937, when there were "40 cases sober" up to the early months of 1939 (the Big Book was printed in April 1939) it is not inconceivable that membership jumped to 100 or thereabouts. Plus, like Jim B noted "it's a nice round number." And would at most constitute a "fib" as opposed to a "lie."
have their personal stories printed in the first edition. Stories from Akron and vicinity dominated since they were the first group and largest in membership. The manuscript story of an Akron member, "Ace Full - Seven - Eleven," was dropped (reputedly, because he was not too pleased with changes made to the first drafts of the Steps and basic text).
of the first edition Big Book (10 from the east coast, 18 from the mid-west and 1 from the west coast - which was ghost written by Ruth Hock and later removed from the book in its second printing). Cheers Arthur
Message 3073 from James Flynn yahoo.com) said: "I would like to know why the preface to the first edition to the BB makes a statement about 100 men and women, when there are only approximately 40 stories in the BB and by some accounts that I have read a maximum of 70 members in AA at the time the book was published." ______________________________ IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3109. . . . . . . . . . . . Trust God, Clean House, Help Others From: Cloydg . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 11:49:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Group, One of my sponsee's asked me a question. I tried to find the answer as I had thought it came from steps 6 and 7. Unfortunately, when I looked it up on our reference pages. I still could not find the answer to this nagging question. Maybe you can answer it for me? Where did, "Trust God, Clean House, Help Others", come from? Is it in any
AA literature In love and service, Clyde G. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3110. . . . . . . . . . . . First woman was Jane S., not Florence
From: Diz Titcher . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 3:57:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The first woman was Jane S. in Akron and she beat Florence by one month. Diz T. ______________________________ From: "mertonmm3" yahoo.com) Women in the plural because, I believe in the NY/NJ/CT area (which functioned as one during most of the time) they began with one woman (Florence R. of Westfield N.J.), and around the time of the release of the book
Marty M., then a patient of Blythewood Sanitarium, became number 2. ______________________________ IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3111. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Re: Printer''s Copy and Dr. Howard
From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/27/2006 1:01:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The 1999 General Service Conference passed the following Advisory Action:
individual A.A. members be increased from $1,000 to $2,000 and that bequests from A.A. members should be subject to the same limit and be on a one-time-only basis and not in perpetuity.
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are one of the departments of the GSO (re the Service Manual pgs S72-S73). AA paid a hefty sum to purchase Dr Bob's Big Book from his son. Archives fall into an area where, as collectors items, their monetary value could be enormous. But there is also the historical value of the items integral to the founding of AA which might very well take precedence.
likely be up to the Conference on what to do and how to do it. I know of deceased members who have bequeathed papers, books and other assorted artifacts and memorabilia to the AA Archives. The collectors value of the items would exceed $2,000 by orders of magnitude. So I don't know if there is any notion of a cap on the monetary value. Oh how I would love to find out, for certain, who "Dr Howard" was. Cheers Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jlobdell54 Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:19 AM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Printer's Copy and Dr. Howard
either $1000 or $2000 (I'm not sure which) from members in any given year, it's not clear to me how the Printer's Copy could have been given to AA. Correct me if I am wrong. So far as I know, the Archives are not separately incorporated and must therefore fall under the AAWS restriction, I believe. On the name of the "Chief Psychiatrist of NJ"
at Greystone Park during the years 1936-40 (from the Greystone Park Annual Reports 1936-40 in the NJ State Archives). -- Jared Lobdell Yahoo! Groups Links IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3112. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First woman was Jane S., not Florence
From: Sally Brown . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/27/2006 12:36:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII How interesting to learn of another early AA woman! Still another was Mary Campbell, from somewhere in the South, I believe. Dave and I don't know her sobriety date or when she arrived in AA, but it was before April 1939 when Marty Mann went from Blythewood to her first AA meeting, held at the Wilsons' home in Brooklyn. Mary actually visited Marty at Blythewood. She relapsed in 1944, then returned to AA and stayed sober until she died in the 1990s. Maybe there are other early regional examples. Shalom - Sally Rev Sally Brown coauthor: A Biography of Mrs. Marty Mann Board Certified Clinical Chaplain The First Lady of Alcoholics Anonymous United Church of Christ
1470 Sand Hill Road, 309 Palo Alto, CA 94304 Phone/Fax: 650 325 5258 Email: rev.sally@att.net
From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/31/2006 2:47:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The phrase "1. Trust God, 2. Clean House, 3. Help Others" is typed on a
prescription pad with Dr. Bob's name at the top. His signature is at the bottom, and the phrase "always remember it" is in handwriting at the top.
handwritten phrase at the top, and the signature at the bottom, seem to have been scanned and copied from a genuine letter by Dr. Bob, and then superimposed on the picture of the prescription pad using a computer art program. It seemed
pretty convincing to me. But I cannot remember where the genuine letter is found. Does anybody in the group know anything more about this issue over the authenticity of the prescription? ______________________________ From: "Cheryl F" (learning3legacies at cox.net) Date: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:43pm Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Trust God, Clean House, Help Others The saying came from Dr. Bob. It was written on one of Dr.Bob's prescription pads. I've seen a copy of it in the archives. Cheryl F Leander Tx ______________________________
Date: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:01pm Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Trust God, Clean House, Help Others
Others
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From: John S. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/28/2006 9:00:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII From: "John S." mindspring.com) Trust God, Clean House, Help Others
98 BB
claimed authorship of the phrase "Trust God, Clean House and help others." Of course the principle of helping others is all throughout our literature.
John
______________________________ FROM THE MODERATOR: The sentence on page 98 in the Big Book gives us two thirds of the phrase ("trust in God and clean house"), but the full phrase "Trust God, Clean House, Help Others" does not show up in the Big Book in those precise words. Members have written in showing that these words could be used as short summaries of numerous things which are said in the Big Book. But showing all the parallels in the Big Book to the basic teaching of this little slogan does not, in and of itself, tell us who added "help others" to the phrase on page 98 in the Big Book, and began popularizing it as an AA slogan.
______________________________ From: Toto24522@aol.com (Toto24522 at aol.com) Big Book page 164 A Vision for You " ....... you must remember that your real reliance is always upon Him. (Trust
God) Ask Him in your morning meditation what you can do each day for the man who is still sick. ( Help others) The answers will come, if your own house is in order. ( Clean House) See to it that your relationship with Him is right, and great events will come to pass for you and countless others." "Abandon yourself to God as you understand God. (Trust God) Admit your faults to Him and to your fellows. Clear away the wreckage of your past. (Clean House) Give freely of what you find and join us. ( Help Others) "We shall be with you in the Fellowship of the Spirit, and you will surely meet some of us as you trudge the Road of Happy Destiny.
4-11: Clean House 12: Help Others ______________________________ From: "ArtSheehan" msn.com)
For the basic ideas, see Big Book pages 14-15, 89, 90, 94, 97, 98, 132. Also Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions pages 56, 60, 63. My own viewpoint: Clean house: Step 1 (of booze or forget about all the other Steps), then Steps 4 thru 10 (to clear away the obstacles we put in God's way and then continue the housecleaning regularly with Step 10)
only for knowledge of God's will and power to carry it out) Help others: Steps 8, 9 and 12 (in the spirit of the "golden rule" or "greatest commandment" as my church calls it).
10, 11 and 12 as "maintenance Steps." Clean house, trust in God and help others certainly is a nice concise description of these Steps (sort of like Dr Bob reducing them all down to "love and service"). As for where the saying "clean house, trust in God and help others"
originated, my guess will be that several hundred locations will claim it originated in their local area, and they will all be correct (rule # 62).
Arthur
++++Message 3115. . . . . . . . . . . . AA in India: arranging counselling for known offenders From: robin_foote . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/29/2006 8:17:00 PM
group, will tie up with the city police to help repeat offenders kick the bottle.
Anonymous invited a group of more than 100 known offenders and their families and counselled on how life without liquor could change them. The invitees even had a role model they aspire to become: a person who had a history of criminal life but had reformed over the past two years.
have someone to relate to. "He is someone they can relate to. He was a repeated offender for over 10 years. He eventually gave up liquor and reformed himself." The organisers said Police Commissioner R. Nataraj, who was the chief guest, was so impressed with the idea that he even offered the auditoria in three new police stations for conducting future meetings. Representatives of Alcoholics Anonymous said de-addiction programmes and support groups closely worked with police and prison authorities in the United States for the past six decades. They hoped that similar programmes would be possible in the future. Tamil Nadu Download 13.83 Mb. Share with your friends:
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