Fairy Tale Feautures of Imam
Download 0.69 Mb.
|
- Navigate this page:
- So as you see, none of the above responses are really answering the question. These responses are actually escaping from the truth.
- (Kashshi -a Shia author- Marefatorrejal P. 379).
- There is a difference between a fairy tale and reality and I hope some Shia could realize it.
- From shia site ziaraat.com
- It is also reported that Jaziratul Khadra (green islands or Bermuda Triangle) is a vast land in Imam’s kingdom occupied by a large number of Shia and governed by Imam’s family.”
- These reports show that a powerful system is working in this part of the world which can capture, destroy or jam the most advanced ships and aircraft of the world.
- The Imam’s country is totally invisible and is protected and monitored by computerized electromagnetic devices that produce intense light beams.
- The Imam’s country, behind the iron curtain, is immensely developed in science and technology
- We will make them enter gardens
- We will most surely cause them to enter
- I place the righteous in Paradise and the evil people in hell.
Imaamat is not the fundamental belief of 12ers, the appointment of Ali is the fundamental of belief. If one cannot appreciate (in line with the conscious of all the scholars of Shia) that Ali being appointed by the prophet is the direct consequence of the concept of Imaamat and that Imaamat is the core belief of 12er Shia that’s fine. I would ask the same question about Ali. The question is a generic one that can be applied to any fundamental of belief: Where are explicit verses of Quran without any Tafsir or Hadeeth that clearly command us about what ever is the fundamental of 12ers’ belief that distinguishes them from the mainstream Muslims, being Imaamat or the Khilaafat of Ali after the holy prophet. There is no escape from this question as long as one believes that Quran is the ultimate guidance. And if a Muslim is not able to find this in Quran then by God he/she needs to answer God in the day of judgement that why he/she separate him/herself from the mainstream Muslims. So as you see, none of the above responses are really answering the question. These responses are actually escaping from the truth. Give Quran (a translation) to an English man with no idea about Islam and ask him to read it and write down 5 important articles of Islamic belief based on his understanding from Quran. I can imagine that he will write down oneness of God, Prophet-hood, the Day of Judgment, perhaps the rewards and punishments, prayer, Zakat, … but is there any chance that he writes the doctrine of Imaamat as 12ers put it? I don’t think so. The very reason that Shia needs to include lots of explanation and commentaries and Hadeeth to prove his doctrine from verses of Quran proves that Quran is not explicit and direct about Imaamat and when a book of guidance is not explicit and direct about some thing, that “thing” CANNOT be a fundamental of guidance and people who have chosen to be separated from the mainstream Muslims because of that “thing” are responsible for their sectarianism attitude. The above is the weakest link of 12er Shia and repeating it over and over is the only ways that we could make some of them realize this weakness. Interestingly enough further discussion with Shia about this issue only results in completing this argument by adding more justifications from Shia side to the above. The more the number of justifications the more apparent the gap and the false in the logic of Shia theory of Imaamat. Verily as Quran says (25:30), THE complain of the Prophet about his people in the Day of Judgment is that they put Quran aside and ignored it. While I think that we are all subject to this complain and we all need to re-establish the role of Quran in our belief, I should say that to me 12er Shia are one of the best examples of such complain. Question Two: How does the current Imaam leads Shia? The first question should be enough for any one to consider 12er Shia as a group that is biased from the original Islam. However it is helpful to have a word about the concept of occultation of Mahdi. When you ask a Shia that why we need an infallible Imaam, he says we need it because it is not justice from God to leave us without any divine leadership. When you say okay then where is this divine leader now, the Shia will say: Oh he has been hidden for more than 1000 years and will come out near the end of the world. Nice! This means that the theory of Justice of God in terms of guidance worked only for about 300 years (before the occultation)! Imaam means a leader, how can you be led when the leader is not contactable and accessible? It is a conscious of Shia that no one has direct contact with Mahdi during his greater occultation (they believe he had about 70 years smaller occultation during which direct contact was possible). So what is the point of all this debate? Shia believes in Imaamat and accused others for not having a leadership system, well at the end of the day we all ended up at the same point didn’t we? Shia had no leadership system up to the Iranian revolution and the system of Welayate Faqih that is the leadership system in the current Iran is nothing but a man made system in which people elect certain scholars to elect a leader for them. Well this is exactly what happened in Saqufeye Bani Saedeh when people elected Hazrat Abu Bakr, so, what is all the fuss about? Some of the Muslims have elected Osamah Ben Laden to be their leader, does Khameneyee the leader of Shia has any divine advantages to Osamah? The point is that if Shia had a live Imaam who was supposedly infallible and had access to extra ordinary knowledge than we did not need this much waste of time. Instead of all these debates I would have asked a Shia to take me to his infallible Imaam and there surely the Imaam could prove me his right by his extra ordinary knowledge and attitude. This is not the case now. If some one becomes a Shia these days, nothing will be changed for him in terms of guidance. He/she will combine the prayers and attend ceremonies for Hussain and pay Khums to scholars and rub his feet in ablution and start a debate over Internet by a user name like Ex-Sunni but nothing in terms of being directed by a divine Imam. So what? Shia says it is obligatory to know the Imaam of your time, but from the so-called Imaam of their time what do they know? Anything more than his name and the fact that he will not come out till near the end of the world? So is it all about knowing a name rather than actual guidance? We are fighting over a closed file (I hold respect and do not say over a … body). The occultation of Imaam is in 100% in variance with the very basis of the reason Shia claims we need an Imaam. The Shia belief is in fact not self consistent. Honestly I have not received any considerable reply for this question to elaborate on, let me only address two semi-replies:
I answer them in the same order:
This is just a philosophical argument (being affected by pre-Islamic belief) that has absolutely no support from Quran and Hadeeth. We have been told that certain angels are arranging certain things for the universe but we have heard nothing about such an extra ordinary claim. If this is the case then who was the Imaam immediately before the Prophet? Did the Prophet ever meet him?! And why we need some one being alive in the earth to do the job? Imaam Reza the 8th Imaam of Shia said to people (who thought his father is not dead but is alive and in occultation) a very interesting point: “if Allah wanted to extend the life of any of his servants for the need of people to him, he would have extended the life of his Prophet” (Kashshi -a Shia author- Marefatorrejal P. 379). Furthermore by the above reply in fact the 12ers are stepping down and surrender their main argument that says in every time there is a need for an Imaam to direct and lead people (i.e. tangible direction and leading not philosophical direction). In fact the earlier 12er scholars nearer to the beginning of the time that the 12ers refer to as the greater occultation of Mahdi has used the same argument to prove the existence of Mahdi. They even go as far to say that this ‘obvious’ argument suffices them from referring to any ahaadeeth to prove the existence of Mahdi. Let’s see what is the argument of one of the classic gurus of 12ers: “… Rationality tells us that surely there should be an infallible leader at every time who is not relying on people in matters and science -of religion- because it is impossible that people live in a time when there are no leaders to bring them closer to good and farther from bad and every non-complete human needs some one to advise him and every oppressor needs some one to control him … and there should be some one who teaches those who don’t know and waken up ignorant, advise misguided and perform the Hodood (Punishments of Shariat) … and solve the differences of opinion and appoint governors and defend the borders and protect properties … and gather people for Eids and collective prayers. (Ershad by Mofid – Section 36). As it can be seen, this scholar who was one of the ones who established 12er doctrine clearly says that there always need to an infallible Imaam at all times who could practically (and in a tangible way) direct and guide people (look at the bold words). It seems that to people like Mofid who was quite close to the beginning of what 12ersa refer to as the greater occultation of Mahdi. The expectation was that the occultation will not last for a long period and Mahdi will appear shortly otherwise all the above argument (knowing that Mahdi is not accessible) had no points. The above is the understanding of other classic 12er scholars as well but I preferred to quote from one of the main ones that is considered as one of the pillars of the 12er scholars. As you see, the Mahdi that is the subject of our debate with 12ers is the one that the classic 12er Shia believed in as some one who practically and in a tangible way leads people. If an Imaam could be hidden and not available to people then what is the point of arguing for the necessity of having a God appointed leader at the first place? To change the function of Mahdi to be able to justify his long occultation is nothing but changing the whole story to be able to escape from the truth. It is exactly like changing the function of Quran (from the book of guidance to a book that is only completed by Hadeeth and needs the explanation of 12er Imams) to be able to justify why the 12er theory of Imaamat is not mentioned in Quran.
To conclude, I think by refraining from entering never ending debates about minor issues and sticking to the major issue both Shia and mainstream Muslims will be able to come to conclusions faster. I tried to explain in my article that the main issue in debate with 12er Shia is their doctrine of Imaamat. I further described that the best never answered question for Shia is to ask them for prove for their doctrine from Quran (simply by pasting the verse with no commentary) and to ask them about the practicability of their doctrine in the absent of an accessible Imaam. These remain as two severe problems with Shia belief and no answer could be given for them unless new verses of Quran come down and their so called Imaam of Time come out of his occultation. As I don’t think that any of these would happen I had no problems in posting this here knowing that Shia brothers and sisters will also read it. There are no hidden plans. These are facts. And Allah knows best. May Allah Guide Us All and forgive our sins. Student. http://answersforshiafriend.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/lets-review-the-shia-doctrine-of-immamate/ Imam is Controlling Bermuda Triangle November 25, 2009 at 10:09 pm | Posted in Imams and imamate in the light of shia narrations | Leave a comment
i
2 Votes 
Brother leo (c) Dear Muslims, as you are well aware that rafidhis are worried about sudden disappearance of their Imam, who went in “hiding” due to fear of losing his life. In order to avoid the obvious embarrassment, the rafidhis keep narrating fairy-tales of his possible locations, latest being that their 12th imam is in “bermuda triangle” From shia site ziaraat.com ” Imam’s ghaibat is described by the Aimma like that of Prophet Yusuf (A.S.) who was amongst his brothers yet they did not recognise him. Imam is known to meet a believer on 3 occasions: 1. At the time of trouble. 2. He is present at every Hajj. 3. He attends the funeral of every believer who has no religious obligations pending on him/her e.g. Khums 
During this time he continues to guide. Numerous letters have been received from him by (to quote a few) Ishaq bin Yaqub, Sheikh Mufeed… . It is reported that 30 people all over the world meet with him regularly. It is also reported that Jaziratul Khadra (green islands or Bermuda Triangle) is a vast land in Imam’s kingdom occupied by a large number of Shia and governed by Imam’s family.” Ziaraat.com – Imam Mehdi(a.s.) – About A powerful Empire behind the iron curtain There are reliable traditions reported by great Shia scholars about the huge number of inhabitants living in a group of islands known as the JAZIRATUL KHADHRA (The Green Island). These islands are totally cut off from the rest of the world by a large sea known as Bahrul Abyadh (White Sea ). There is a long story narrated by Muhammad bin Ali Alawi Hussaini, reported in an authoritative book Al – Najmus Thaqib. In this story, a reliable person tells in full detail, how he happened to visit these islands totally governed by the Imam Zaman (as). He told that there are large cities in these islands, highly developed and advanced. The names of these cities mentioned in the book are as follows: (1) Mubaraka. (2) Raequa. (3) Sophia. (4) Zaloom. (5) Panatis These islands cover about 1,140,000 square kilometers area which is bigger than France, Germany, Greece, japan, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and many other countries of the world. These reports show that a powerful system is working in this part of the world which can capture, destroy or jam the most advanced ships and aircraft of the world. we can rationally arrive at some useful conclusions. 1. That these groups of islands, Green Islands or Bermuda Islands, may be occupied and governed by the Holy Imam Al- Mehdi (as) and his people, where he has established a powerful Islamic government. 2. The Imam’s country is totally invisible and is protected and monitored by computerized electromagnetic devices that produce intense light beams. There are some highly sensitive clockwork equipments, which can accurately ascer tain the identity of all the passing ships and airplanes. As reported above, they allow many ships and airplane to go while stop some in accordance with the programmed instructions to divert them to the desired destination for reason not known to us. Some pilots who were allowed to escape say that they believe the country has highly developed technology which can easily destroy or interfere all kinds of ships, airplane, radar and electronic navigational systems. 3. The Imam’s country, behind the iron curtain, is immensely developed in science and technology Basic Belief Prostration to Fatima November 25, 2009 at 3:13 am | Posted in Imams and imamate in the light of shia narrations | Leave a comment
i
1 Votes
This is from the book titled ‘anwar az-zahraa’ : Q. Is it allowed to make sujood (prostration) to Faatima ? A. It has come in narrations that it is a MUST to make sujood after the salaat [prayer] seeking assistance [help] by Faatima az-zahraa (may Allaah be pleased with her). And to say 100 hundred times while in sujood : ‘Ya Mawlaaya , Yaa Faatima , Agheethnee’ [O My Master , O Faatima , Aid me] And from the customary and natural things with us , that when we mentione her name and seek assitance from her ; then there is no way except that we have to prostrate to her. This is because it is not intellectually correct that a person speaks with Faatima and directs himself to her and seeks from her – and then he prostrates to someone other than her. This is because we cannot shun away from this reality, and that is if there is no prohibition to prostrate to other than Allaah [then its okay] , this is because we dont have any proof showing the impermissibility of prostration to other than Allaah. …’ To the end of their heresy.
Shirazi quluw in Mahdi November 25, 2009 at 3:12 am | Posted in Imams and imamate in the light of shia narrations, Shia Mahdi | Leave a comment
i
Rate This
From the book titled ‘Dua wal Ziyaarah [supplication & ritual visits]‘ : sayyid As-shirazi says : Chapter on Visiting The Imaam Mahdi may Allaah hasten his noble relief : ‘Know that the Imaam hujjah [the proof] indeed he is living and present , and he one who is entitled -and is obligatory on all humans- to obey him , and is obligatory on all humans to believe in his leadership ; the one in whose right hand stood [the control of] the heavens and the earths. It is a must on humans to stand to him in manner of discipline just as the public behaves infront of the leaders. And from the comprehensivenes of that : is to take him as an intermediary between a person and Allaah, and to visit him by everyperson near and far, and to wait for his coming-out. And if one is given the facilitation to be among his army, and to be from those who call to him, then he has attained success of the world and the here-after. And it has already been mentioned that the reward of visiting one of the Imaams is like the reward of visiting the Prophet (sallaAllaahu alayhi wasallam)…..” 
Visiting grave of Hussain more important for them than haj November 23, 2009 at 6:15 pm | Posted in Imams and imamate in the light of shia narrations | Leave a comment
i
Rate This
Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi taala wa barakatu. It’s not a secret for moslems that haj to Kaaba is obligation upon those who have funds once in their life. Shaykh of shias Abbas al-Qummi in his “Nafasul mahmum” at page 431 said: It is related in traditions from Imam Ja’far as Sadiq (a.s) that, “The wealthy should visit the grave of Imam Husain (a.s) twice every year, while the indigent should visit once every year”. He (a.s) said, “Those who live near should visit atleast once every month, while those who live far away, once every three years”. It is also related from him that, “It is not fair to avoid it for more than four years”. So as we can clearly see importance of pilgrimage to grave of Hussain (r.a) more great for them than pilgrimage to haj. Who is owner of paradise? November 11, 2009 at 2:23 am | Posted in Imams and imamate in the light of shia narrations | Leave a comment
i
Rate This
Allah Taala said in Quran: [Shakir 4:57] And (as for) those who believe and do good deeds, We will make them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever; they shall have therein pure mates, and We shall make them enter a dense shade. [Shakir 4:122] And (as for) those who believe and do good, We will make them enter into gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide therein for ever; (it is) a promise of Allah, true (indeed), and who is truer of word than Allah? [Shakir 29:9] And (as for) those who believe and do good, We will most surely cause them to enter among the good. So moslems from all world believe that Allah is the One and only who could make someone enter heaven or hell. Let us see what shias say. Al-Qummi in “Ilal ush sharae”: Abu Abdullaah said : ‘When it is the Day of Judgement, a pulpit will be put in place of which all the creation will see it : and a man will stand on it and on his right hand there is an angel and on his left hand there is angel standing with him. Then the one on his right hand will announce : ‘ O congregation of creatures this is Alee ibn Abee Taalib the owner of paradise : he enters into it whoever he wills. Then the one on his left hand will announce : ‘ O congregation of creatures this is Alee ibn Abee Taalib the owner of hell fire : he enters into it whoever he wills.’ 
Ayatullat Dastghaib Shirazi “Moral values of Quran” Chapter “Ali with his own bier” (p 257) Harith Hamadani had become very old, bent at the waist and ill. He reached Ali with much difficulty and said how much I desired to look at your beautiful face, O Master! I have come to you from a long distance, as I was deprived of this honor due to my old age and weakness. Ali told him, “O Harith! Everyone who dies sees me. I tell you that you will also see me near Sirat bridge (in the Hereafter). I will be there do distribute Paradise and hell to people. I place the righteous in Paradise and the evil people in hell. If any of my friend is in hell, I fetch him out from the fire.” Shirazi: Soul of Ali was fully divine November 11, 2009 at 2:12 am | Posted in Imams and imamate in the light of shia narrations | Leave a comment
i
Rate This
And we are going deeper to the book “Moral values of Quran” of Ayatullat Dastghaib Shirazi. In chapter “At the bedside of thousands every moment” (p 256) he said: Directory: 2014 2014 -> For want of a nail 2014 -> The Global Warming that Wasn’t 2014 -> Assembly, No. 3901 state of new jersey 216th legislature 2014 -> Stop Militarizing Law Enforcement Act of 2014 2014 -> Ihbb asian Championships 2014 middle school bowl Round 4 First Quarter 2014 -> Unit: Automotive and Auto Body 2014 -> Ihbb european Championships 2014 Bowl Round 4 First Quarter 2014 -> International History Bee and Bowl 2013-14 Asian Division Question Set Bowl Round Six 2014 -> United states patent and trademark office 2014 -> Walnut creek, ca branch executive committee meeting minutes Download 0.69 Mb. Share with your friends:
|
