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Mr. Chair I move that we approve item 42 permit to remove historic tree subject to the approved and conditions that are in the attachment that we have. So I have a motion for approval. Approval for the permit to remove a historic tree at 17-92 as long as including all provisions named in ta tached document. A second by Ms. Cusack. You yield the floor sir? I'm sorry. I was looking at him. Do you yield the floor? I want to make sure staff is okay. We got an agreement. Everything is okay. We do appreciate it. Staff worked very hard on this. Mr. Wagner? Okay. No further discussion? September Mr. Alex -- except Mr. -- Those in favor signify by aye. I have one last slide. That is my sister Lisa. Yesterday was the first day of harvest affidavit at the grove. I want to see you squirm this morning, Mr. Ford. Moving on to item 43. We're on time. Amendment to the agreement of the welcomeson Boulevard extension. This is a follow up to a project that started in agreement na the council originally under took in 2005. Predates me. Joe, I think it was the last meeting a discussion to bring back the final agreement. This includes all the issues that were -- I don't want to say unresolved. Dealing with the details the payments to be made the money spent and how it will be spent. What credits and how the credits are to be used. They are all in the agreement. We sent a -- we spent a lot of time on this. Jamie did a lot of work and rob and I thank them both. I know Mr. House is in the audience if there's any questions. Pretty straightforward. Thank you. Any further staff discussion? Open for the council. Mr. Daniels. Thank you. Look through the agreement it's changed over time. We agreed to pay 9.8 and then some grant money came in. Got it up to 15.3. Do we know what the engineering and design cost of this road is? Mr. Ross you want to come forward? State your name. Bevel beach. Those particular items are delineated separately. The design fees are right at a million dollars. Okay. Have the construction bids been -- are they back yet? >> The construction bids we followed the Florida statute. Went through the full process which was reviewed by your county staff. Specifically county engineer. Low bidder was Halifax paving. That contract has been awarded. How much was that? That is right at $10 million. Like a $11 million road? Would that be fair? It's going to be a $15 million project with mitigation costs landscaping. All of it total project cost right at the $15 million. I guess my question was in looking through the agreement that those costs were not county costs. How does this work? I know you got the grant money. You know, the 9 . .8 was not including, mitigation not including storm water and value of the land that kind of thing. The way it works is there will need to be an $11 million cost to tap into the dprant funds on a dollar for dollar match. The balance of the county's money will be used for the other items listed in in the agreement. Specifically includes the mitigation cost which is right at a million. Is that revised agreement or current. The agreement before you today. Okay. But the old one did not include that. We will be paying mitigation that is not included in the old agreement? The mitigation was always intended to be a project expense as part of total cost. You can't build a road without mitigating for wetland. The old agreement -- see if I can -- seem to suggest that mitigation was an expense that the county was not going to be responsible for. I think that specific part that was in the language was limited to that one section but not to the total mitigation cost -- it's always been a total project expense. Ultimately it's a county road. And the -- it seemed that that part was something that the developer was going to be paying and not the county. That was never contemplating to be an expense on the developer, no. Dan, do you have an opinion on that? I don't have the prior agreement in front of me. I looked at it this week. The mitigation was part of the contingency. An allowable cost within the 9.8 million but part of the project contingency. The cap? >> The cap was 9.8. Which changed to dpat impact fee -- ponds privately owned and maintained. The -- this allows some recoopment of cost -- recoupment of cost expended. Recapture of cost which have -- which are project costs but would be previously extended. More than what was originally contemplated. It allows for the landscaping. I'm sorry. The word was evading me for a second. Okay. In the old agreement the -- where as clause talks about that the county is not robl for storm water retention and compensation. In other words we're not reasonable for mitigation storm water retention. Not reasonable for any of that thing. That was both the detention and retention. Then there was the mitigation. The previous agreement port Orange provided a half million of mitigation. There was an allowanc mitigation within the 9.8. This allows for mitigation still within the 9.8 but doesn't have to be part of the project contingency. Again, what you're doing is with this agreeme recognizing, by impact fee credit, the benefit of the ponds which are being provide on privately owned lands which we have a none exclusive easement. The agreement enforced now already has that. The dwoeper -- developer supposed to prooifd the land supposed to provide that and the maintenance. What are we getting that we don't have now? I mean, why? I think it's fair to say that over the decade this road has been contemplated the engineering challenges and cost associated with them were greater than what we thought in 2005. I think the -- I can't say the amounts. Developer is going to be absorbing some of the amounts. They've asked for you to recognize that in part through the impact fee credits. If you were to build this road today we talked to the -- I think you would have that cost of -- for the ponds that would be this amount or greater. Okay. Well the we'll be paying -- the total amount will be 15.8 for the road. Yes, sir. >> Wouldn't that cover that amount? We've gron 9.8 to -- we actually went from 8.8 to 9.8 to 15.8. My understanding from previous council when there was an issue about this road was that we were going to pay for the whole thing. They were going to build a public road and cap them at 9.8. There was talk at one time because the c wanted to have the road. If there'ves there would be more money coming from us and the council said no more than 9.8. There was work to get the grant. Quite Frankly if we DeDidn't get the money the work wasn't going to go through and the previous council was not interested in going over the 9.8. Okay. But then the 400 would be for the thing it is developer is already obligated to take care of of -- take care of. It would be for retention areas. Off the right-of-way and for mate innocence that the current agreement says they're reasonable for. Is there something in addition they're doing for the the impact fee credits? I'm not sure I heard all the words in -- I'm not sure I heard all the words in your question. The impact fee are in recognition specifically allocated to the ponds previously contemplated those would be provided. The cost of the -- of the project is more than what it was contemplated as originally conceived. Do we have numbers that show that? If we have numbers that show that it would be useful? I'm not prepared with those numbers today. This -- you're still within your 9.8 and there will be the construction costs alone is about $10 million. That was within around 9.8 or so a coincidence of numbers. That was for the construction project. Let athrown mitigation spent. The engineering -- You think that would amount to 5.8? What I think this agreement -- this brings to you the tomorrow water resterngs giving some for that. Provides -- this agreement allows for some enhancement for landscaping that the original agreement probably would not. On the other hand if you go back ten years, I don't think the road would have been built. We don't do landscaping. We've told people in my district that we don't do that. People at timber creek were upset that there was no landscaping. We said we never do landscaping. It is not something we pay for or something we do. I don't think dish don't have all the developer's cost. I don't think all the costs have been captured. You are proproviding some enhanced bit of land skauping. The CDD will be responsible for that. For land escaping? Maintenance. We don't put in landscaping. We didn't put in at timber creek or LPGA. That's not what we do. This allows for some. Also our costs can not exceed 9.8. Substance -- what probably would be reduced within the within our 9.8 if anything is the landscaping. Other costs, change orders and the like. Looks like there's more money in the deal than costs in the road and we would be doing a 480 impact fee credit on top of that for the thing it is kwoper is -- developer is already ob gated to provide. I think what I can -- the only thing can I say is developer in 2012 when this was in front of you asked to be able to do was to trourn you for impact fee credits for the cost that might be exceed p we've allocated that to the storm water. We would have incurred that cost. The right-of-way remains noncompensated. That's provisions not in the agreement anywhere is my point. An agreement for them to convey the right-of-way. The agreement for impact fee credits is not in that agreement. People say things all the time in front of the council and we might not disagree with them but doesn't mean we agree. Let me jump in. I'll be candid. ? 2012 it's on the record when the road was designed and after they bitted, they reserved the right to come down. 2005 when the original agreement when the county was more apt to give credits. My concern is where we go forward. The council has to make the decision on whether they grant those credits. the -- the bottom line for the council as far as I know. The two council'ses gone through this. The road over $15 million and said never going to pay more than 9.8. The cost has gone up so much. We do do some capital on landscaping like US 1. Only if someone else does the maintenance. Especially irinvestigating it. Dir irrigation. It sounds like we're fuzzy on the numbers for the cost of the road and the 4.8 for things that at least in the written form of the agreement . Mr. Wagner? Any other comments? No further public comments. I'm comfortable making a motion to move forward. Your motion is? As stated. Your motion is as stated okay. Motion for the amendment of the agreement for the Williamson Boulevard extens Provided Mr. Wagner and second by Mr. Patterson. Any further discussion? Just that it's very needed. If you're in my area. It's so congested and so difficult to navigate. And I appreciate what developers can do to get it done. This is how projects get done. How we advance the community. We just left the chamber meeting talk about infrastructure. I look forward to traveling it and saving time as well as the people I represent in the area we share. That air when you get to Taylor is a nightmare. Need relief before all the other construction starts. School is about to start. School starts -- it's awful. I thought school already started. I saw a school bus drive by. Yours starts when you send them there. Starts Monday? Don't drive in that area Monday. I'm looking forward to this project getting done. I'm very glad about that. Mr. Dinneen. I'll point out if you remember the discussion about this road one of the issues two previous councils had. This is a needed connecter that allows us to make the argument, make the case which we did in to the best of my recollection JR for the interchange of 95 and pioneer -- they see the dangerous we face in evacuation trying to get all that stuff through done Latin. This road is crucial. Two ways. Allows you to connect that area for more transportation. The other thing it shows our commitment and our match of local money to make the area function better to just -- justify the interchange. This is a key piece. If we make it and get the interchange. Any further discussion? Seeing no further discussion. All those in favor of the amendment to the agreement for the Williamson Boulevard extension as provided signify by aye. All those opposed. Mr. Daniels is no. Marcy? Motion passes 6-1. >> Moving to item 44. Mosquito lagoon water quality presentation. Thank you. I'm Kelli McGee and I'm here this afternoon to introduce the members of the Estuary and waterwaist enhancement trust. >> Tough give that to Marcy Zimmerman. you put it on the record you have to give it to her. For those new to this all attachments go to Ms. Zimmerman. While you're getting together I'll also --fy may -- if I may. Mr. Richard Haks. Senior marketing director for harbatel. Sturn. My name is Tom Friend. Good to be in front of you all. Thank you for having me. How do we -- let's try this. Water clartty. Why does it always say water clarity? If I go to mosquito lagoon and I put my arm in the water and I can't see my hand, that's water clarity. That means the sunlight is not get down there. When the sun light does not get down there then the plants don't produce the objection gin they've been producing for mega thousands of years. We get a low oxygen situation. That's very much the situation in Mosquito Lagoon. Low -- oxygen. That's why the clarity is so important. When there's lack of oxygen the microbes and other organisms that live there are in a much lesser population. I'll go on here. Okay. That's Mosquito Lagoon. It's beautiful. We want to keep thought way. This tells us a little bit about it. The whole Indian lagoon area the most diverse in the United States. When it's -- nitrogen. We breathe nitrogen. Hydrogin . We drink hydrogen. So what is the problem? When they get together they are ammonia. Now all the creatures in the lagoon and in ourest aware. Produce ammonia. The plants that live when they die they take up oxygen and produce ammonia. A waste product that is toxic. It settles to the bottom and at the bottom, EPA's term. Transformed by microbes. These microbes take up the hydrogen and release the stable, safe nitrogen. That's what we would like to see going on. These are two of our bridges. As you can see they are very square. They block a tremendous amount of water. We have an expert who will actually give you more information on that. 91 was the first study. And there was another one in 1999 and quite a few scientific studies. Several paid for by Volusia County that show that this style of bridge impedes the flow of the tides twice a day. We're not getting exchange. Reduced by 50-60% based on their numbers. Not just their numbers, but given this problem of low objection jen it was a -- low oxygen. In 1998 coastal ocean graphic science. They did a zid of every county and every estuary. When they got to Volusia County they said this water body is declining. They continued to say that. In 2010 they said we can expect in the future to seeal -- Al go blums and fish die offs. Which we have. They call it biological stress. They have measures of biological stress. I didn't bring 1500 pages from the seven studies that were done by the EPA. They're all available online if anybody wants me to send them, I will. When we look at these. That's not the way they used to build bridges. If you look at Harper's ferry 150 years ago looked like a bow of a boat. Today the bridge Volusia County is is bulged that bridge will not look like that. It be modern. It will permit the water to flow. There's nothing much that we can do about these older bridges because we're not going to tear them down. But we were very fortunate that we developed a cooperative relationship. With Patel memorial research. They've devised these deflectors they can retrofit on our bridges, specific to our bridge. They are here in Volusia County. They've been in prons inlet for 50 -- Ponce Inlet for 50 years. That's one of the four points of our presentation. Now when EPA finally came to a conclusion and they looked at the RX, we said what do we do about this. Came one five possible directions. One of them was use. Who use it, how often. That has nothing to do with our prez talks. The other four were one data. What we were truly amazed to find out the data doesn't exist. The data for the areas being stressed aren't there. I -- we did and,gen, you're going to have swb who knows more than me about in your opinions talk to you about the St. Johns. At night time there's no sunlight. The plants aren't producing oxygen. That's going to be during the piered period of time in the 24 hours you will have the lowest number. If the numbers get down to strangulation levels, you would like to know. If somebody sucked the air out of your bedroom for five minutes at night, you would certainly want to know about it. The data we have has only been taken during sunlight during the day. The area most impacted and you find the high poxcy at the low objection gin at the shoreline. Two weeks ago we got a 1.8. Any under 21 a disaster -- 2 is a disaster -- even during the daytime we're getting oxygen levels in the middle. Not going to the bottom under 4. Okay. So this is an indication that there's biological stress and indeed that's what the EPA has told us. Further at the bottom, the bottom is where the microbes transform the ammonia into something safe. That is where you must monitor if you want to actually take an intelligent scientific approach to what's going on. Again, we looked at years of St. Johns data and that's not with their monitoring. We've been trying to get to see them since last February on the subject. Last week I was at a luncheon and we were introduced to the new lineup at saint yons and we've been -- new leadership and sate Johns and we've been told they will look at it. We want to look at the bottom. We want to get 24-7 clod cast. During the night as well. So we understand the effect of thaefrng we're doing. I don't want to get scientific. What we're asking for is for you to support the goals that we've identified. Our goals not to do more studies. Not to look at the upstream problems which are ample. Our goals are to attempt now to do something about the problem and to do things to enhance and improve our dirnl prove our water body so it with heal. Monitoring is one. Second is flow. The bridges. When we increase our flow we cut the edge off the slidty speck. When we fwot get solidity you have a situation where animals that do not reproduce. The only thing that loves it is brownalgy. We've already seen that. If it gets really bad, fish die and in the case of something like the red fish which is very much a valuable fish in this area. Every year fisherman come and spend a lot of money. When the water is too salty the eggs float to the top and eaten by birds. Okay they don't rebruise proous that year. A -- reproduce that year and the last thing I will talk about is oxygen exchange. I missed one. Oxygen done in Spain -- oxygen exchange done in Spain and England and Kentucky. Exchange wean -- between stagnant water and -- so nature can heal itself. The other thing we discussed is habitat. That was also EPA. Mustards habitat. If there's -- We're trying to increase the flow. Increase the oxygen through exchange and trying to provide habitat so that creatures can begin to grow again and mother nature can then heal what's already happened. All of these things have been done before. There's nothing new here. Volusia County has installed hundreds of reefs. More successful than any other county in reefs. The exchange has not been done here in Volusia. The bridge dolphins were lucky to have resource such as Patel that will design and build these one-off devices that will bring our bridges into the 21st century and increase the flow in our rivers again. I'm going to turn this over. Henry? This is Henry a research scientists. He'll introduce himself. Okay. I'm gone. State your name for the for the record and position. Thank you Mr., chairman. I'm Henry pate. I live in port Orange. And have since 1991. I've been working all my adult life some 40 years, god help me, on the quarter. Most of that time has been spent with Patel Memorial Institute. On the right. The atmospheric site. We've been there since before World War II. Patel is a nonprofit founded in 1929. The largest independent organization in the world. We do some six billion in annual sales. We have 22,000 employees and 130 locations worldwide of which seven are national labs that we run for the government throughout the country. Our head quarters in Columbus, Ohio and way down on the list our little facility in Ponce Inlet. We do testing on marine products and material there is. The business is about innovation. That's reason we were founded. We are trying to use science and engineering and create value for our customers. Campless includes multi layer coins you have in your pocket. compact discs and the zero rocks process. Some of our next innovations are actually have to do with -- actually a subject of this presentation. This project seeks tone hans our estuaries. And enhancing real time monitoring so we have a sense of the water ways at the moment. Not rely on the snapshot series of data that we have in the past. Some of what tom was talking about where they're just taking data maybe once a day and during the day. Not raelsz raelsz -- knowing they are on a daily cycle. Ox yen something they're living with. A million part per level. We're at part mer hundreds. Our waters live at the interface between the bottom and water. If we're not keeping oxygen up. Then essentially losing the water way. [ Captioners transitioning ] R ESPONSIBLE FOR TITLE ATTENUATION BETWEEN THE BRIDGE AND THE INLET. YOU CAN SEE ON THE UPPER GRAPHIC WHAT THE EFFECT OF THAT SQUARE FOOTING IS ON FLOW AND WHEN THE TIDAL FLOW HITS AS IT IS DISBURSED DOWNWARD ON SIDES AND CREATING VORTEXES THAT DAM PEN WHAT DIRECTLY HITS THAT STRUCTURE AND SPREADS FLOW THE OTHER WHICH THAT COUNTERS FLOW THAT WOULD NORMALLY GO THROUGH THE CHANNEL. ALL THAT FLOW ENERGY IS ESSENTIALLY LOST TO OUR ENTIRE TIDAL SYSTEM. WE ARE TRYING TO SMOOTH THAT STRUCTURE -- YOU CAN SEE HOW. MORE SMOOTH THE FLOW IS AROUND THAT SMOOTHED OUT BRIDGE FOOTING AND THAT IS OUR GOAL. AND THE YOU CAN SEE ON THAT UPPER RIGHT GRAPHIC IN FRONT OF THE BRIDGE FOOTINGS, THOSE ARE THE BRIDGE DO. DOLPHINS THAT ARE INSTALLED. THE DEFLECTORS ARE MADE OF GEO FABRIC 60 DEGREES TO THE AMBIENT FLOW AND MADE TO MOVE UP AND DOWN THE TIDAL CURRENT. EACH SIDE IS DESIGNED TO HAVE THE LARGE GAP TO THE BOTTOM SO YOU HAVE EASY MOVE OF FISH AND MAMALS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO TURN THESE DOLPHINS OFF. THERE WOULD BE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU WANT THE BRIDGE TO RESUME ITS DAM PURPOSE AND PULL ANCHOR AND THE BRIDGE RETURNS TO ITS DAM FORMATION. EXCUSE ME. THE SECOND THING WE WILL BE DOING IS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT BOTTOM PICTURE , THAT IS A A PICTURE OF THE CAUSEWAY, THE RELIEF OPENING. WHAT I THINK AS THE MAYOR GREEN RELIEF OPENING ON THE DUNLOTTEN CAUSEWAY. HE FOUGHT FOR. THAT IT IS 800 FEET LONG BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS ALSO FILLED WITH SQUARE PROFILE PILINGS. 336 OF THEM. WHICH DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION OF FLOW ON AN 800-FOOT LONG. WHAT WE ARE GING TO DO IS ENCASE THOSE WITH PILING SHELLS. THAT ALTERS THAT, THE THIRD THING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, IS TO ENHANCE HABITAT THROUGH INSULATION OF A -- AS TOM SAID, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING DONE WORLDWIDE. THESE REEF BALLS THAT COMPANY IS EXPLODING. APPLYING THESE REEF BALLS ALL THROUGHOUT FLORIDA AND THE WORLD. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF THEM IN FLORIDA HUNDREDS IN TAMPA BAY. AS I AM GIVEN TO UNDERSTAND HUNDREDS OF THESE REEF BALLS JUST LIKE THOSE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IS TO -- AND SO FAR AS I KNOW, ALL THOSE VOLUSIA COUNTY REEFS ARE IN THE SOUTH PART OF OUR ESTUARY. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IS ALL IN THESE THROUGHOUT THE ESTUARY AND WE ARE USING IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LENGTHY PERMITTING PROCESS AND SURVEYING PROCESS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH INSHORE ARTIFICIAL REEFS WE ARE PLANNING USE DOCKS PUBLIC AND RIGHT. THEY HAVE BEEN SURVEYED AND PERMITTED TO PLACE THESE REEF BALLS OUT OF THE NAVIGATABLE WATERWAYS AND DOCKS. PATEL IS PROPOSING TO BUILD THESE FOR THE ESTUARY AND THE FINAL BUT ACTUALLY THERE WOULD BE THE FIRST THING THAT WE WOULD DO IS TO INSTALL A MONITORING NETWORK THROUGHOUT THE ESTUARY. WITH THE ADDITION OF FLAT PLATE COLLECTORS AT EACH SITE. WE ALSO HAVE A LONG TERM MEASUREMENT OF WHAT THE BIOLOGY IS DOING. NOT JUST SENSORS. IF WE CAN ENHANCE FLOW WILL INSURE THAT THE SAIDMENTS. THEN WE WILL ALSO BE MONITORING CURRENT VELOCITY AND THE DIRECTION OF THOSE CURRENTS, WHICH BESIDES BEING USEFUL FOR WATER MANAGEMENT IS SOMETHING WE WILL HAVE APPLICATION FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY FLOOD PLANNING AS WELL. ALMOST ALL CITIES AND INCLUDING THE COUNTY THIS WILL BE VITAL 24 HOUR DATA FOR THEM. AND THIS PROJECT IN CLOSING IS ABOUT GIVING OUR ESTUARY THE TOOLS SO IT CAN HEAL ITSELF THE MAN FOLDS. DOLPHINS, ARTIFICIAL REEFS ARE PAST THE PROJECTS WHOSE COST AND BENEFITS WILL BE SPREAD OVER DECADES. AND WILL BE ENJOYED BY GENERATIONS VOTERS. AS I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS A NEWBORN PROJECT. JUST BEGUN. WHOSE AND OUR SCIENTIFIC AND AGENCY REVIEW WILL REMAIN TO BE DONE. BUT NONE OF ITS ELEMENTS ARE AS ONE UCF PROFESSOR PUT IT TO ME ALMOST ALL ELEMENTS OF THIS ARE JUST PLAIN COMMON SENSE. IT IS THE PUTTING TOGETHER OF THESE ELEMENTS IN ONE PLACE THAT MAKE IT INNOVATIVE AND POWERFUL. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT TO YOU THIS PROJECT WAS BORN AND BRED IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. 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