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Does anyone know the origin of "Does anyone have a burning desire?" at the end of a meeting? Also where did the expression "do the next right thing" come from? And finally saying "It works if you work it" after the Lord's prayer. ______________________________
story is referring to the next to last paragraph, which says:
God today. I never just sit and do nothing while waiting for Him to tell me what to do. Rather, I do whatever is in front of me to be done, and I leave the results up to Him; however it turns out, that's God's will for me." So on the basis of those two references to the Big Book, it looks like we would have to say that "It works if you work it" is not a precise quotation from the Big Book, although it has some parallels to the phrase "It works it really does." I would see it myself as more of an attempt to summarize an important part of the message at the beginning of chapter 5 in the Big Book, where it says things such as "Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path" and "If you have decided you want what we have and are willing to go to any length to get it -- then you are ready to take certain steps."
precise quotation from the Big Book, although it could be regarded as a summary of the next to last paragraph of Dr. Paul's story. The problem here is that, if "do the next right thing" was already circulating as an AA slogan prior to the publication of the third edition of the Big Book in 1955, then what Dr. Paul said could have been an expansion of the idea contained in that AA slogan instead of vice versa.
us any information about WHEN "burning desire" or "do the next right thing" or "it works if you work it" first started being used as slogans in AA circles, let alone who might have devised these phrases. Until we have at least some approximate dates, we are, as Chuck points out, just guessing. Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3185. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "More will be revealed" From: Chuck Parkhurst . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 5:00:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Cheryl Though the phrase "more will be revealed" is heard way too frequently at AA meetings, it appears nowhere in the basic text of the book Alcoholics Anonymous. It is another example of many people at our meetings claiming "the Big Book says," when in fact our textbook says nothing of the sort. The closest thing to that expression in our book is on pg 164 and states ....."God will constantly disclose more to you and to us" The way my sponsor explained it to me when I first got sober was, I need not wait for more to be revealed (when?!?) as opposed to knowing that God will constantly disclose things to me, providing I practice all the principles that the program requires (our steps). It is also my understanding that the phrase you quoted is in the basic text of a book from another 12-step program, Narcotics Anonymous. Maybe someone more familiar with that fellowship's literature can confirm that.
From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 8:46:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Cheryl, I'd say that this was probably suggested by the next to last paragraph in "A Vision for You," in the Big Book. It says, "We realize we know only a little. God will constantly disclose more to you and to us. Ask Him in your morning meditation what you can do each day for the man who is still sick. The answers will come, if your own house is in order." Mel Barger IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3187. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Young People''s Group- 4021 Clubhouse Phila, Pa.Celebrates 60 years From: Bob McK. . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 8:32:00 AM
mentions formation that month of "The Young People's Group." Was this the first such group? I do not know. In a talk in Akron, historian Ernie Kurtz said that historians refer to the word "first" as the "f-word." _________________________ From the moderator: October 1944 is earlier than the other citations we have received from members of this group.
Clubhouse Phila, Pa.Celebrates 60 years From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 10:02:00 AM
>Bulletin announced the first Young People's meeting: >"Age is no barrier if you wish to participate in the >meeting of one of the newest groups, organized in >October. The group calls itself the Young People's >Group and it was formed by several of the younger >A.A.'s...20's - 30's. But they stress the fact that >they do not exclude 'oldsters' from their meetings." > >The group met on Wednesdays at 8:30 PM in the West >Side Evangelical Hall on West 38th Street and Bridge. >
Did the meeting survive, as in continue? The reason I ask is I know of several similar meetings in my local area that were started but never "took" and petered out after a relatively brief time, on the order of months. Tommy H in Baton Rouge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3189. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: God as we understand Him From: t . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 10:33:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Big Book page 12 "My friend suggested what then seemed a novel idea. He said, 'Why don't you choose your own conception of God?'"
influence, from just two pages earlier, is forgotten. Big Book page 10 " He talked for hours. Childhood memories rose before me. I could almost hear the
sound of the preacher's voice as I sat, on still Sundays, way over there on the hillside; there was that proffered temperance pledge I never signed; my grandfather's good natured contempt of some church folk and their doings; his insistence that
the spheres really had their music; but his denial of the preacher's right to tell him
how he must listen; his fearlessness as he spoke of these things just before he died; these recollections welled up from the past. They made me swallow hard. "
++++Message 3190. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill D. From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 9:49:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Ernie, In November, 1952, I spent the better part of a day with Bill D., who was AA Number Three. I don't believe he withheld his personal story from the First Edition because he wanted to be paid for it. He was not that kind of a guy. My recollection is that he was not excited by the book project and may have even thought it wasn't necessary. But he did tell me that Bill W. had come out to Akron and recorded his story for the next edition. I believe today that the Bill D. story we see in the Big Book was written by Bill W. from the information he taped and wouldn't have been produced if Bill W. hadn't taken the initiative in recording Bill D.'s story. Of course, Bill W. would have then cleared it with Bill D. for accuracy, etc. For Bill W., that probably meant lugging one of those old-fashioned reel recorders all the way out to Akron, but it was something he obviously considered necessary. Bill D. was a kindly, friendly man who was much loved as the Grand Old Man of AA in Akron, a role he seemed to have following Dr. Bob's death. But he didn't have Bill W.'s drive and vision. Maybe that's just as well, as he never seemed to create trouble for Bill and Bob in their efforts to enlarge the fellowship. He did have mixed feelings about Bill W., and may have felt that Bill was getting too much credit. I had heard him called "The Guinea Pig," but it was clear he didn't like this term. It turns out that Bill W. used it one day when they were all on the platform at a large meeting, and he appeared to resent it. Bill W. also told me that Bill D.'s feelings about him were "ambivalent," so Bill D. wasn't entirely in Bill W.'s corner. But he did cooperate with Bill W. on important matters and was even the first delegate from the Akron area. Bill D. had a marveous wife, Henrietta, whose prayers and support were probably a factor in his getting sober. She was a matron at the Akron City Workhouse, and I even visited her in her office there in 1958. She was still living in 1980 just after "Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers" was
published. I went out to visit her and even read portions of the book that applied to her and Bill D. By that time, she was blind and living with her son and his family. I find myself almost in tears when I recall that visit. Mel Barger _____________________
Nell Wing for sure and, I think, trustee George G. told me that Bill D's story was not in the first edition because he wanted to be paid for it. At best third-hand hearsay to you, but . . . . ernie k. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3191. . . . . . . . . . . . Ester''s preamble, Dallas, Texas From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/17/2006 9:57:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I am looking for a copy of Ester's (elizardi) preamble, Dallas, Texas. She wrote the story "Flower of the South." She was founder of AA in Dallas, Texas. Anybody have any idea how many different AA talks there are by her which are still obtainable??
editor aabibliograpy.com IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3192. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Self-Support From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/18/2006 9:07:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi Sunny, Maybe you are thinking of the current article, "A Buck in the Basket" in the February 2006 Grapevine. The author, Jack H., is actually suggesting two bucks, in view of growing inflation and rising expenses for groups. Jack is a friend of mine and worked real hard to get that article published. I am still having a hard time upping my contributions to $2, but I'm sure I'll get to that point soon.
Longbeach Convention? From: Mike and Sarah . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 10:19:00 AM
Houston, TX SETA Archives
From: Steve Leeds Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Bill Wilson and Sister Ignatia - Longbeach Convention? Hey All, I have a cassette tape that is marked Sister Ignatia and Bill Wilson -Longbeach Convention. The recording is old and it's obviously Bill but I am looking for confermation that the womens voice is that of Sister Ignatia. Could anyone confirm that she did speak with Bill at that convention?
From: Jerry Oys . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 7:29:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII --- sunnykhill12 > Was there an article in the Grapevine or in some > other publication > that suggested a $1 per meeting donation in the > meeting basket? If > so, what year was it published. I am seeing my Area > and District > struggle financially because groups only have enough > money to cover > their own expenses with the $1 mentality. > Any information would help - I have been asked to > do a self-support > workshop. > Thanks, > Sunny H. > Little Rock, AR > > There are many Grapeviine articles addressing Self -Support written by Bill W. and I belive others. If you subscribe to the Grapevine for $10.00 a year you can acess the Grapevine Digital archives and do a search on Self- Support and they will all popup. > > FYI - The idea or thought suggesting the putting of $2.00 in the basket as it was passed around the room or table appeared in a Grapevine Article in 1950 by Bill. >
GSO produced a green binder titled Self Support. It contained various pieces of materiasl. The most significant piece to me is the piece titled The Challage of the Seventh Tradition. GSO also prouduced a flyer showing a hand with 2 $1.00 bills haging from it. Which believe was in the same time period. I have the binder in my posession. I hope this helps you in your venture. Sometimes Quickly ,Sometimes Slowly. In I Alcoohlics Anonymous have learned from my experience that We can't hear until we can hear and We can't see until we can see!
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Southern MN. Area 36 Archivist __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3195. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: movie slang From: johnlawlee . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 8:33:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Never heard the cliche, "Do the next right thing" until the Spike Lee
movie "Do the Right Thing" was released in 1989. It's street slang,
the type commonly used by professional athletes as they're leaving their third halfway house. No God. No Steps. Just me, deciding what the next right thing might be. Managing my life again, just like the old days. john lee
From: Chris Budnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 10:50:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Chapter Ten of Narcotics Anonymous, commonly referred to as the Basic Text, is titled More Will Be Revealed. It is the last chapter in Book One of the text, which contains the program of Narcotics Anonymous. Book Two contains the personal stories. Chris Raleigh, NC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3197. . . . . . . . . . . . The Late Liz From: billyk . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/21/2006 4:40:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII i checked out this web site and also the IMB (internet movie database). the movie "the late liz" indeed was made in 1971 and starred ann baxter (extremely well acclaimed actress as would be attested by our history lover elders). i've never seen the movie and so my question is (and i'm asking anyone), should this movie be added to our history lover's database. it would seem so.
clog up the group mail (billyk3@yahoo.com). thanks - be good to yourselves, billyk
++++Message 3198. . . . . . . . . . . . Does anyone remember "The Happiness Exchange"? From: Gene . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/21/2006 2:47:00 PM
listen to Big Joe on the Happiness Exchange...Early radio sold time after it's daily programming was over, and Big Joe Rosenfeld had a show from 1AM till 3 or 4...on WABC radio, New York. I learned that he coined the expression... "One is too many and a thousand isn't enough"... I have subsequently learned that Bill W had a major impact on his life...
Does anyone know more about him? I still remember his theme song.."Somebody Cares" and recall quietly weeping alone in my room. It keeps getting better Gene in Westchester IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3199. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Self-Support From: billyk . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/21/2006 5:02:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII i have to comment here. one of my sponsors once told me that since i was one of the lucky ones that didn't lose the wife, family, house etc., and that i was 'doing okay', i should put in the basket what i spent of booze. well... if that were the case, our clubhouse would be adding a mighty fine addition to the building. but i read that article too (in grapevine, feb 2006) and i thought it was well written and really brought home the fact that inflation really has been ignored. and maybe, people should up their donation to $2 if just once in a while. but, something i learned from a close friend in the fellowship. i give exactly a dollar a day. if it's been 3 days since my last meeting, i give $4 (which is usually a five cause i don't have four ones). and i always look for the opportunity to do a little more like buy the newcomer a big book or support a clubhouse activity (any clubhouse-not just mine). i can't put a price on my sobriety, but the fact remains that in this world, rent, coffee, materials, etc., all costs money. that fellow who wrote the grapevine article said it all at the end. "i am responsible......" and i accept that responsibilty with a glad heart.
From: trixiebellaa . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/19/2006 2:27:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi history lovers, can you please tell us if any of the other doctors at the Charles Townes Hospital agreed or disagreed with Dr Silkworth's allergy theory, thank you.
From: Julie . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2006 3:00:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Found it in alanon book. "How Alanon Works" on page 68 under Easy Does It "If the time is right, more will be revealed."
Anonymous, commonly referred to as the Basic Text, is titled More Will Be Revealed. It is the last chapter in Book One of the text, which contains the program of Narcotics Anonymous. Book Two contains the personal stories.
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http://www.440.com/favesw.html this is web site about the history of AM radio and mentions Big Joe Rob Fuhrman Huntington, IN -----Original Message----- From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:47 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Does anyone remember "The Happiness Exchange"?
listen to Big Joe on the Happiness Exchange...Early radio sold time after it's daily programming was over, and Big Joe Rosenfeld had a show from 1AM till 3 or 4...on WABC radio, New York. I learned that he coined the expression... "One is too many and a thousand isn't enough"... I have subsequently learned that Bill W had a major impact on his Download 13.83 Mb. Share with your friends:
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