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Does anyone know more about him? I still remember his theme song.."Somebody Cares" and recall quietly weeping alone in my room. It keeps getting better Gene in Westchester IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
From: jocis007@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/22/2006 11:41:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII do the right thing is from the Big Book. "Never avoid these responsibilities, but be sure you are doing the right thing if you assume them." from chapter 7 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3204. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Ester''s preamble, Dallas, Texas From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2006 9:00:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi LD Based on research I've been doing for the last few years, I'm fairly certain that the so-called "Esther's Preamble" should not be attributed to her as her invention. If you are referring to what is also sometimes called the "Texas Preamble" I don't believe that my home state of Texas should be credited with its invention either. As a resident of Arlington, TX I don't pass this on with enthusiasm but I'm doing extensive research for publication of a paper on how AA started in Fort Worth and Dallas. There is much myth surrounding this. A January 1945 article was submitted to the Grapevine by Merle S of Dallas, TX saluting Esther E as starting AA in Dallas upon her arrival in 1943. However, evidence exists, in GSO Archives news-clipping scrapbooks that AA started in Dallas as early as 1941. Due to the impact of mobilization for World War II, early Dallas pioneers were eventually relocated elsewhere through war work or service in the armed forces. Esther E certainly was a pioneer in revitalizing AA in Dallas. A woman she sponsored, by the name of Anne T, similarly helped revitalize AA in Fort Worth during the difficult war years of the early to mid-1940's. Ester was also very instrumental in helping to start AA in San Antonio.
AA's second national Secretary, provide a detailed history of the development of AA in Dallas and Fort Worth. One thing that can be definitely stated about Esther is that she was a remarkable woman and a natural historian. Her correspondence with Bobbie has revealed information I've been searching for about 3 years now. There is no doubt in my mind that Esther's correspondence provides the definitive history for how AA originated in the Fort Worth/Dallas metroplex (as well as a few other Texas locations).
different locations in the US. Barring the discovery of dated source documents, the establishment of primacy is probably beyond possibility at this point in time. The preamble contains material from the "Akron Manual" (c 1940)as well as extracts from the 1st edition Big Book Foreword and basic text. The earliest genuine copy of the preamble I've been able to locate locally is in a 1946 document in the archives of the Harbor Club in Fort Worth, TX. The preamble originated some years prior to that but I haven't been able yet to locate an earlier original or facsimile. I'll send you some additional material to your web site email address unless you want me to send it to a different address. Cheers Arthur
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of diazeztone Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:57 PM To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Ester's preamble, Dallas, Texas
preamble, Dallas, Texas. She wrote the story "Flower of the South." She was founder of AA in Dallas, Texas. Anybody have any idea how many different AA talks there are by her which are still obtainable??
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and was one of the first call-in shows on radio (you only heard his voice). It promoted people helping one another and had a strong spiritual angle. This is Rosenfeld's obituary as it appeared in The New York Times:
Published: December 19, 1987 LEAD: Joe Rosenfield Jr., who was the host of a radio talk show called ''The Happiness Exchange'' for many years, died on Nov. 22 at a nursing home in Falmouth, Me., after a long illness. He was 86 years old. Joe Rosenfield Jr., who was the host of a radio talk show called ''The Happiness Exchange'' for many years, died on Nov. 22 at a nursing home in Falmouth, Me., after a long illness. He was 86 years old. Mr. Rosenfield, who was known as Big Joe, did a nighttime show during what was called ''the insomnia stretch'' from 2 to 5 A.M. Broadcast over several New York radio stations from 1949 to 1962, the show raised large sums in contributions by letting the unfortunate air their troubles.
nighttime program with his son, Joe 3d, in New Orleans. His nickname, Big Joe, evolved to differentiate him from his son.
Me.; a son, Joe, of Acton, Mass., and a daughter, Dorothy Fisher- Smith, of Ashland, Ore.; six grandchildren, and six great- grandchildren. --------------- I didn't listen to Big Joe, myself. I'd listen to Jean Shepherd on WOR, keeping the volume low so my parents wouldn't know I was up so late on a school night. I'll never forget how Shepherd would tell you to put your radio on the window sill and turn the volume all the way up; then he would "hurl an invective" at your neighbors. Something like, "I can't stand this neighborhood. Take your goddamn wash off the line!!" Just the sort of thing for a somewhat demented 14 year-old. John K in Charlotte --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "Gene" > > When I was a depressed kid I'd stay up at night unable to sleep and > listen to Big Joe on the Happiness Exchange...Early radio sold time
> after it's daily programming was over, and Big Joe Rosenfeld had a > show from 1AM till 3 or 4...on WABC radio, New York. > I learned that he coined the expression... > "One is too many and a thousand isn't enough"... > I have subsequently learned that Bill W had a major impact on his > life... > Does anyone know more about him? > I still remember his theme song.."Somebody Cares" and recall quietly > weeping alone in my room. > > It keeps getting better > Gene in Westchester >
++++Message 3206. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Ester''s preamble, Dallas, Texas From: timderan . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/24/2006 2:03:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII "Texas Preamble" Art: One thing I vaguely remember is that the so called "Texas Preamble" appeared once in the Grapevine several years ago. I do not remember the month or year, but, I remember reading it there. You might know something of it or want to look into it.
manuscript From: Mike and Sarah . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 12:01:00 PM
E-mails.
Wow. Just a question. Regarding an e-mail from you on January 26,06 regarding galleys, Cornwall, Living Sober, etc.
have been wondering about the 'Bill's Birthday talk' that he gave at NY Intergroup every year. Especially the final talk of Bill at the NY Intergroup event which was held on or close to his own birthday... '69, '70? Do you, or did Barry and/or his friend know if a recording of this event ever was made? Was / is it an item held in the archives of GSO? I have asked them about it...no response as of yet. OK. So, I guess that is as about as simple as I can put it across to you. Regardless, thanks for being part of this.
Houston, TX SETA Archives Committee
>From: "Mitchell K." >Sent: Jan 26, 2006 4:38 AM >To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] The Dr. Howard/Hank P. manuscript > > > > From what I have learned, this >> one manuscript was brought to Cornwall Press in the >> Nyack, New York area of the Hudson River valley in >> February 1939--- > >Just a quick geographical correction. The Cornwall >Press was located in Cornwall, NY located in Orange >County, NY. The first edition printings were done >there as were several of the 2nd edition printings. >The company merged with another and from what I >understand, further printings were done in New Jersey. > >When the galleys were gone over, it was done by Bill >W., Hank P., Ruth Hock and Dorothy Snyder who came up >to Cornwall to go over them. > >As far as Barry's family giving anything to AAWS, due >to a history of problems, litigation and pending >litigation over royalties for Living Sober They had no >desire to give AAWS anything. There was a great deal >of animosity generated. I remember going over all the >drafts for Living Sober which were housed in a >friend's apartment in Connecticut. This friend had >many of Barry's materials as well as another friend's >materials which were left to him (Ron was involved >with many of the private recordings of Bill W. and >Bill speaking at his anniversaries in NYC - I think >close to 200 of them and left them to Dennis when he >passed on). I have no idea where these materials might >be today (I do have some guesses). Dennis was a >collector of AA memorabilia and had a small but >amazing collection. There were some great "spook", LSD >and vitamin B tapes but as I was only allowed to >listen to portions of them, not make copies or take >notes, unless they surface again, the material >contained in them might be lost. > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
++++Message 3208. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Ester''s preamble, Dallas, Texas From: Diz Titcher . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 8:43:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I saw one in the Houston Intergroup office years ago. "diazeztone" wrote in saying: I am looking for a copy of Ester's preamble, Dallas, Texas. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3209. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Self-Support From: Azor521@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/22/2006 8:14:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII In the February 2006 AA Grapevine on page 21 is an excellent article titled, "A Buck in the Basket?" The on line Grapevine archives are awesome! _www.aagrapevine.org_ (http://www.aagrapevine.org) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3210. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: The Late Liz From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2006 5:23:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have a copy of this movie and just watched it for the first time. Here is my revue: Woman drinks Woman drinks more (always has a drink in each hand) Woman drinks non-stop with fake friends Woman cheats on second husband Woman drinks Woman remarries Woman experiences alcoholic progression Woman's alcoholism pushes away older son, younger son forgives and stays with her
Woman drinks Woman's alcoholism pushes away third husband Woman experiences alcoholic insanity and bewilderment Woman tries to commit suicide by taking many sleeping pills with booze Woman has a spiritual experience while near dead Woman awakes from the coma Woman fights off urges to drink and begins to annoy fake friends with talk about God Woman's conversion experience leads her to a church thanks to her youngest son
Woman commits herself to being involved with the church Woman begins to help a friend who also has a drinking problem thanks to the help of her new pastor The End
Love, Barefoot
Bill -----Original Message----- From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of billyk Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:40 AM To: bajohanson@charter.net; History Lovers Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] The Late Liz i checked out this web site and also the IMB (internet movie database). the movie "the late liz" indeed was made in 1971 and starred ann baxter (extremely well acclaimed actress as would be attested by our history lover elders). i've never seen the movie and so my question is (and i'm asking anyone), should this movie be added to our history lover's database. it would seem so.
clog up the group mail (billyk3@yahoo.com). thanks - be good to yourselves, billyk
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3211. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "burning desire" From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/24/2006 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Hi group, Here's a 'burning desire' to reply to this post before its thread goes away. "Do the right thing" is a movie, the title copyrighted by Spike Lee's film company. AA's Eleventh Step, "praying only for knowledge of His will and the power to carry it out" has had much input and interpretation over our years of existence. Our early founders spoke of the search for the 'next, best, indicated course' of action, specifically relating to Step Eleven. I agree with our Moderator, Glenn, that "old time" is a relative concept on this phrase---not many speak the same way as was spoken in the late 1930s. From recollections of Ruth Hock's daughter, that exact phrase "next, best, indicated" was used verbatim and regularly. The phrase evolved into the 'next, best, thing' that I first heard many years ago, too, but let's remember that it comes from Step Eleven. "It Works If You Work It!" is part of our ever-longer chants that follow a
meeting closing...Phrases like "keep coming back" usually start it, and 'keep coming back, it works if you work it, sober!' are the current norm, with arms
waving and all...From my own experience, this "gospel shout" comes from
treatment centers and nowhere else, and it took hold in AA in the early 1990s. I
don't believe it has caused any harm, but at face value it's pretty silly. Just
think, if this stuff was going on in the 1950s, the Hokey-Pokey dance would have
fit just fine with the closing chant! "Does anyone have a 'burning desire' to share" or "to add more thoughts" is a normal question a meeting chair can ask before closing an AA meeting. I still
hear it a lot. Rick, Illinois ___________________________ A comment by the moderator: Rick, What makes the idea of the whole AA group dancing what would become known as the "Higher Power Hokey-Pokey" in a circle after the closing prayer, and finishing up with a shouted "and that's what it's all about!" is that I can halfway imagine it actually happening!
From: jeanne avolio . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/24/2006 7:31:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII This was sent to me about 7 months ago, I dont know if it's the same one your
talking about here,thought i'd share it with the group..I had it read at my birthday meeting this past aug..Many were surprised to kno as I was that there was another one written years ago.maybe someone in the group can give a history on this.In His Grace >>Jeanne AA Old Preamble - 1940
powerless over alcohol and unable to do anything about it without the help of a Power greater than ourselves.
simple purpose of the program of Alcoholics Anonymous is to show what may be done to enlist the aid of a Power greater than ourselves regardless of what our individual conception of that Power may be. In order to form a habit of depending upon and referring all we do to that Power, we must at first apply ourselves with some diligence. By often repeating these acts, they become habitual and the help rendered becomes natural to us. We have all come to know that as alcoholics we are suffering from a serious illness for which medicine has no cure. Our condition may be the result of an allergy, which makes us different from other people. It has never been by any treatment with which we are familiar, permanently cured. The only relief we have to offer is absolute abstinence, the second meaning of A.A. There are no dues or fees. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. Each member squares his debt by helping others to recover. An Alcoholics Anonymous is an alcoholic who through application and adherence to the A.A. program has forsworn the use of any and all alcoholic beverage in any form.
alcoholic beverage he automatically loses all status as a member of Alcoholics Anonymous.
desire to remain sober for all time. Not being reformers, we offer our experience only to those who want it.
in harmonious action. Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our program. Those who do not recover are people who will not or simply cannot give themselves to this simple program. Now you may like this program or you may not, but the fact remains, it works. It is our only chance to recover. There is a vast amount of fun in the A.A. fellowship. Some people might be shocked at our seeming worldliness and levity but just underneath there lies a deadly earnestness and a full realization that we must put first things first and with each of us the first thing is our alcoholic problem. To drink is to die. Faith must work twenty-four hours a day in and through us or we perish.
few moments of silent prayer and meditation.
individual opinion as of today and as of up to this moment. We do not speak for A.A. as a whole and you are free to agree or disagree as you see fit, in fact, it is suggested that you pay no attention to anything which might not be reconciled with what is in the A.A. Big Book.
it, live with it, loan it, scatter it, and then learn from it what it means to be an A.A." ----------- diazeztone I am looking for a copy of Ester's (elizardi) preamble, Dallas, Texas.
She was founder of AA in Dallas, Texas. Anybody have any idea how many different AA talks there are by her which are still obtainable??
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