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hi history lovers, Page 140 of To Employers says: "Can it be appreciated that he has been a victim of crooked thinking, directly caused by the action of alcohol on his brain?"
information in the chapter to employers,instead of perhaps one of the chapters at the beginning of the book.
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From: ckbudnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/16/2006 12:18:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII On February 7th I posted the following but have not received any responses. I am hoping that someone has some information since the following is listed as a significant event in AA history:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/3129 it says:
dies in Winston Salem, NC. Who was William Y. "California Bill" and what is his significance in AA history? Thanks. Chris Raleigh, NC IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3256. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Price of things since 1935... From: meb_nosix . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/16/2006 10:44:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII --- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Markle wrote:
> > In meetings around here, I've noticed the chairperson stating that > newcomers, visitors and those currently in a hospital or treatment center
> (in patient), need not contribute. > > Jon (Raleigh) > 9/9/82 > > > > From: Arkie Koehl > > Reply-To: > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:40:48 -1000 > > To: > > Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Price of things since 1935... > >
> > My personal experience has been that while in treatment I was encouraged to > > participate in AA meetings, including putting money in the basket. > > The centre I went through provides rooms and encourages meetings and has > > forgone collecting rent so a meeting can get off the ground and become > > established. > > > > Fiona D > > > >
> > On Mar 7, 2006, at 11:46, ArtSheehan wrote: > >
> >> Several years ago some posters and flyers were distributed asking
> >> members to consider donating $2, instead of $1, in the 7th Tradition > >> collections at meetings. I think this is a touchy issue since there
> >> are a number of members who just can't afford to do so. It should be > >> left up to each member to decide for themselves. My appeal would be
> >> for each member to just try to donate something no matter how small.
> > > > Is there, to anyone's knowledge, a protocol on donations from > > treatment center in-patients sent to AA meetings? I'm guessing there
> > is no right way to handle the awkward fact that so many patients are
> > sent to our meetings by profit-making treatment centers yet put > > nothing in the basket. Of course the patient should not be expected > > to contribute, but the "provider" is charging the patient or the > > state money for the treatment and using AA as a free resource. > > > > Arkie > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
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> > > Not sure where these meetings are that you talk about but agree that those interested ina solution should listen to those that are able to offer one. Step 2 "Came to beleive that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity" clearly states that we are insane till we have the essential personality change brought on by folowing the steps. Those not working the steps or new to the program are in no position to offer anything but the a deluded view of reality that has landed them there in the first place. I've been to many meetings while in early recovery and found til i completed the steps exactly as outlined in the big book i had no idea what i was talking about and basically stayed in the problem. Those interested in a solution and sick of living in the problem will be the ones that are happy to listen. God bless. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 3257. . . . . . . . . . . . Are any AAHL''s going to Ireland From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/16/2006 12:00:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The 60th Anniversary of AA in Ireland will be celebrated in Cork Ireland next month at the All Ireland convention. Do any AAHL members plan to attend? Are there any AAHL members in Ireland besides Fiona D., who has most graciously agreed to show us County Mayo and the birthplace of Sister Ignatia ? also, There will be a closed meeting of the Archives Committee in Philadelphia, Pa at 444 N.3rd St 3rd floor at 1 PM on Saturday 3/18/06. We will
play a videotape of Conor F (the man who took AA to Ireland/ Europe and Dr. Moore ( who provides Conor with Richard P.) the 1st man sober in Ireland. Because it is a videotape from 1982 it will be a closed meeting(for alcoholics only) The statement of anonymity will be read at the meeting Yours in Service, Shakey Mike G
From: David Jones . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/16/2006 5:04:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I don't know whether you would consider this, it is just opinion and I have
no evidence to back it up. But, Bill's use of recent historical events as part of his argument, such as
the Titanic when it comes to the part "we are like passengers of a great
liner." Would suggest that recent social/historical events were maybe in his mind, this said, then an employer may look on an alcoholic as a liability and not worth the investment in salvaging. Given that in recent memory the US has had a depression no shortage of willing workers; and the prohibition a moral judgment and one that may have increased in some way the numbers of alcoholics. Then the second world war intervened and ended the employment problem and gave the country a focus and unity. My question would be; how were employers inclined to think post war rather than pre war. God bless Dave it would be my guess that employers are more inclined to think in intellectual terms than medical or spiritual. especially in that time, when alcoholism was considered more of a moral dilema than a spiritual mallody or terminal illness. just a thought. C. Cook
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